YouTubers Are Stealing From Game Developers - Fuk Dat!

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Lets be real. All you pro youtubers only care for your own selfish reasons. You want to watch someone play to see if you want to buy it. Which is fine.

But stop bullshytting that you think its good for the industry. Funny how people mentioning only the positives. But what about all the lost sales by people watching full games and not buying the game. How does that help the industry you claim to love.
Who seriously forgoes playing a game so they can watch it instead? Especially if they have the money to buy the game. People who like video games like to play them and experience them. They're not losing any notable sales because if you're the type of person that would rather watch someone else play a game than play it yourself then you aren't likely to buy that game anyway because you don't care about playing it.

People willing to pay money to watch videos are called movie watchers and movies cost 1/3 the price of a video game. Nobody is spending $60 on a game when all they wanted to do was watch it anyway. If those sorts of people couldn't watch then they just wouldn't pay attention at all.
 

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These are the same devs that put out a half assed game and $20 DLC to go with it. fukk em. Twitch and YouTube has made me buy more games then not.
 

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When you are buying a game you are purchasing a license for PERSONAL USE. When you use someone elses work to profit off it by showcasing it to millions of people through the internet and social media, damn right you better pay up. That's how the real world works.
 

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the "real world" also includes terms like "fair use" and "derivative work"
 

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I have yet to hear a good argument as to why those should be acceptable...hiding behind that "free promotion" argument doesn't hold.
I'm saying this as a gamer who currently owns hundreds of games across multiple platforms. I've never sat down and watched a full playthrough of a game I was interested in buying. I typically don't even watch full playthroughs. I watched one for Mortal Kombat 9 because while I was curious about the story It was a game I never would have bought anyway.

The argument of why its acceptable is because these are people uploading recordings of themselves using pieces of software. They are interacting with the software and commenting on their experience using it. watching a video of someone using a piece of software is nowhere near the same experience as using the same software yourself which is ultimately why developers make software.

any game developer that feels threatened by a video of someone using their software needs to reassess the game they made and why the only real value it has to offer is watching it instead of playing it.

Hell video game rentals are more damaging than Youtube uploads. Used games are more damaging to the industry that Youtube uploads. In both cases millions of people get to experience the full software for a fraction of the price and the developer isn't compensated except on the initial purchase.
 

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Just ran a google search on Phil Fish and apparently this dude got ran out of the gaming industry over a twitter argument.

This sounds like nothing more than the bitter words of a scorned hipster fakkit to me. :yeshrug:
 

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Let's Plays and Full Plays are already huge but they will be an entire INDUSTRY as recording becomes more ubiquitous and the video streaming matures. You've already got hundreds of millions of views right now, it will be massive when they organize it into a consolidated network with a unified community instead of scattered throughout youtube/twitch/etc.

You've got guys legitimately making millions off of this and this is just in its infancy, I don't see it going anywhere. Not a fad.

I disagree that it's pirating, because I feel that you're only seeing a unique playthrough of the game and you're not being given the *actual* game to play. However, I do see how they could argue that being able to see *any* permutation of the game is still owned by them because without them creating the game, you wouldn't even be able to have that specific performance.

It's a tricky issue. Either they'll try to create some service for people to watch as many LPs as they want or even some kind of sliding fee for certain games like GTA/Last of Us. A Netflix for LP would've sounded absurd a few years ago, but they're growing and it doesn't seem so absurd now. Maybe some extremely popular games will have some premium fee where you can watch a professionally produced playthrough for like 2% of the cost, as if it were a series.

I don't agree with game developers getting 100% of all that Youtube money because the Let's Players are creating their own legitimate content, it's like an AMV in that sense. But with someone like PewdiePie becoming a multi-millionaire (he will not be the last), he can afford to break some bread with the game developers whose games he played to make himself rich.

Only thing is exactly how much should developers be entitled to?

Edit: I can easily see them make games specifically designed for Let's Plays too, it makes a lot of sense.
 

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Just ran a google search on Phil Fish and apparently this dude got ran out of the gaming industry over a twitter argument.

This sounds like nothing more than the bitter words of a scorned hipster fakkit to me. :yeshrug:

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He is only saying that because the youtubers are making money. :mjlol:

He sounds like a jealous fool. :russ:
 

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You've got guys legitimately making millions off of this and this is just in its infancy, I don't see it going anywhere. Not a fad.
very few people make millions off this and it was in its infancy several years ago. Its well developed now.

In the end though the developers lose next to nothing off this. Its a loophole people were crafty enough to take advantage of. These guys are paid by advertisers who put ads on the videos more than anything not paid by the people watching them (except on Twitch where paid subscribers do pay them directly).

If the developers are so upset about this then they themselves should create partner networks and sign these people to contracts instead of letting companies like Machinima do it.
 
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