YouTubers Are Stealing From Game Developers - Fuk Dat!

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Phil Fish better keep his mouth shut unless he wants to shut down a tremendous FREE marketing service for indies. There's a reason companies like Activision and other titans aren't shutting down these streams and Nintendo ended up changing their policy towards streaming. Marketing is expensive. Go ahead and shut down a free avenue to reach millions of people if you want to. There will be some developer who is smart enough to look at it for what it is, which is free promotion.

Exactly. Gaming youtubers have been given permission by gaming studios that allows them to post these videos and monetize.
Reading this thread really made my head hurt. Alot of misinformed opinions in here.

You guys need to read up on MCN's. What their purpose is and how they came about

http://dlreporter.com/2014/04/03/video-monetization-youtube-and-multi-channel-partnerships-101/

Here's an AMA on reddit with a gaming youtuber:

http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/1zitdw/im_a_full_time_youtuber_ama/

Studios need to be cut into the revenue. Gamers are hurt because that money is being taken out of developers pockets and into some idiot youtubers pocket. Less money going to studios means less games being made.
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This developer's beef is with the gaming studio he works for. The monetization of gaming youtubers videos have been APPROVED by the gaming studios, which means A. the studio is receiving some of the ad money or B. they believe the videos benefit the overall sales of their games or maybe a mix of both
 

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Look at Goat Simulator. It is known by millions of people due to a popular streamer playing the title. Over two videos by one streamer, it got over 10 million views. That kind of exposure in traditional marketing avenues is NOT cheap. If not for streamers, at most Goat Simulator would be a small blurb on some major site and then fade into obscurity.

Marketing is extremely expensive, and often can cost more than the game itself to make... and now you have an outlet to reach millions of people for free? These companies can try to get royalties or try to shut down streams, but what will end up happening is these streamers will simply stream the game of a developer who will either PAY them or allow them to stream for free. Nintendo tried to shut down streamers. Did it help them out? Last I heard, they were doing garbage until more recently. These streamers can easily charge developers money, and in fact, I do believe some have gotten paid by developers to have their games streamed.

Phil Fish can easily contact youtube and have Fez Let's Plays removed, but I bet you he won't do that. We'll see if he has this same attitude when none of the big streamers cover his game and it starts affecting his bottom line. If you're smart, you look at these streamers as a free marketing avenue. You are getting MILLIONS of free eyes viewing your material for an hour+ long spot. Where else can you get that kind of exposure without paying an exorbitant amount of money?
 

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You people give WAY too much credit to these youtubers. I forgot how games didnt sell until youtubers. Oh wait, sales are worse.

Forget the fact the golden age for sales was the ps2 era before any of this shyt.


Now nintendo isnt doing well because of streamers :russ:


People need to be truthful and just say theyre too cheap to buy certain games so they want the ability to see it free.

Give me a fukking break.


Studios are worried about the potential backlash from angry internet nerds, thats literally the only reason theyve allowed it thus far.
 

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Lets be real. All you pro youtubers only care for your own selfish reasons. You want to watch someone play to see if you want to buy it. Which is fine.

But stop bullshytting that you think its good for the industry. Funny how people mentioning only the positives. But what about all the lost sales by people watching full games and not buying the game. How does that help the industry you claim to love.
 

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You people give WAY too much credit to these youtubers. I forgot how games didnt sell until youtubers. Oh wait, sales are worse.

Forget the fact the golden age for sales was the ps2 era before any of this shyt.


Now nintendo isnt doing well because of streamers :russ:


People need to be truthful and just say theyre too cheap to buy certain games so they want the ability to see it free.

Give me a fukking break.


Studios are worried about the potential backlash from angry internet nerds, thats literally the only reason theyve allowed it thus far.

:mjlol: WHAT????????

Nintendo isnt foing well because they're current system cant compete graphically with the big dogs and they have no 3rd party support because theur machine is inferior. Nintendo isnt hurting because someone is playing their games on youtube and making chumpo change outta it. let's be real here.

Nintendo is hurting because of the president who doesnt want to think ahead and remain stagnant...

Stop blaiming others if the dev's make games worth playing people will buy them... PERIOD,
 

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:mjlol: WHAT????????

Nintendo isnt foing well because they're current system cant compete graphically with the big dogs and they have no 3rd party support because theur machine is inferior. Nintendo isnt hurting because someone is playing their games on youtube and making chumpo change outta it. let's be real here.

Nintendo is hurting because of the president who doesnt want to think ahead and remain stagnant...

Stop blaiming others if the dev's make games worth playing people will buy them... PERIOD,
Reading comprehension. I know that's not why nintendo isnt doing great. The poster above me made that claim.


Read the conversation going on instead of skipping straight to my posts. Get off my dikk.
 

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Where did I make the claim that Nintendo is doing bad solely because of shutting down streamers? The point was made that streaming has adversely affected these gaming companies, and yet where is the proof of that? Shutting down those streamers didn't do an iota to help Nintendo's bottom line. InThey were still performing like garbage after shutting down the streamers. In fact, they ended up reversing their policy. The music industry has been adamant about 'protecting their intellectual property. Guess what, their performance is garbage as well. If these companies were smart, they'd work with youtube and instead of blocking a video when their intellectual content appears, a link would appear underneath the video allowing a user to purchase that song. Companies already have the ability to block Let's Play streamers, but they don't. They just have to contact youtube... but most companies are smart enough not to do so because they recognize the benefit in all of that exposure for FREE.

Also PLAYING games is the primary way of experiencing game content, not watching. I guess Microsoft should have went through with the Kinect idea where it senses how many people are in the room, and if it's too many, the game will shut off, because if a friend watches the game, he will end up not buying it and he is being a thief, right? We need to block sites that have song lyrics since if you get all of the lyrics, you might not buy the song, right?

If someone 'watches' a game just to get the story, they probably weren't that interested in buying it in the first place. The fun in games is, first and foremost, in PLAYING them. If streamers were offering a link to download the game for free, yes, they would be in the wrong... but you cannot play the game by watching it.
 

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Look at Goat Simulator. It is known by millions of people due to a popular streamer playing the title. Over two videos by one streamer, it got over 10 million views. That kind of exposure in traditional marketing avenues is NOT cheap. If not for streamers, at most Goat Simulator would be a small blurb on some major site and then fade into obscurity.

Marketing is extremely expensive, and often can cost more than the game itself to make... and now you have an outlet to reach millions of people for free? These companies can try to get royalties or try to shut down streams, but what will end up happening is these streamers will simply stream the game of a developer who will either PAY them or allow them to stream for free. Nintendo tried to shut down streamers. Did it help them out? Last I heard, they were doing garbage until more recently. These streamers can easily charge developers money, and in fact, I do believe some have gotten paid by developers to have their games streamed.

Phil Fish can easily contact youtube and have Fez Let's Plays removed, but I bet you he won't do that. We'll see if he has this same attitude when none of the big streamers cover his game and it starts affecting his bottom line. If you're smart, you look at these streamers as a free marketing avenue. You are getting MILLIONS of free eyes viewing your material for an hour+ long spot. Where else can you get that kind of exposure without paying an exorbitant amount of money?

Yeah, it's pretty simple these youtubers are Advertisers. They have followings/subscribers in the hundred of thousands to MILLIONs even [pewdiepie is the top youtuber and he makes BANK]. People need to start using logic. Also I've said like three times within the last page lol but the Gaming Studios do have contracts with youtubers through MCN's that explicitly allows them to monetize the videos.

Also the people arguing about how much "work" these youtubers put into their videos. They do put in work. Their equipment isn't free or cheap [at least when they started]. They have to put in editing work and they have to be ENTERTAINING. They don't achieve these massive followings out of thin air. Also the society we live in doesn't reward "hardwork" or whatever your definition of what hardwork is. Simply making a video game does not make any money. You have to SELL IT. And how do you sell things you ADVERTISE. ADVERTISMENT is big business, it has been and will ALWAYS be. It's how TV Stations make money, how magazines make money, how newspapers make money, and due to the advent of youtube is now how "YOUTUBERS" make money. You guys saying the developers should make more than these Youtubers are mistaken.
 

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Where did I make the claim that Nintendo is doing bad solely because of shutting down streamers? The point was made that streaming has adversely affected these gaming companies, and yet where is the proof of that? Shutting down those streamers didn't do an iota to help Nintendo's bottom line. InThey were still performing like garbage after shutting down the streamers. In fact, they ended up reversing their policy. The music industry has been adamant about 'protecting their intellectual property. Guess what, their performance is garbage as well. If these companies were smart, they'd work with youtube and instead of blocking a video when their intellectual content appears, a link would appear underneath the video allowing a user to purchase that song. Companies already have the ability to block Let's Play streamers, but they don't. They just have to contact youtube... but most companies are smart enough not to do so because they recognize the benefit in all of that exposure for FREE.

Also PLAYING games is the primary way of experiencing game content, not watching. I guess Microsoft should have went through with the Kinect idea where it senses how many people are in the room, and if it's too many, the game will shut off, because if a friend watches the game, he will end up not buying it and he is being a thief, right? We need to block sites that have song lyrics since if you get all of the lyrics, you might not buy the song, right?

If someone 'watches' a game just to get the story, they probably weren't that interested in buying it in the first place. The fun in games is, first and foremost, in PLAYING them. If streamers were offering a link to download the game for free, yes, they would be in the wrong... but you cannot play the game by watching it.
Nintendo didn't reverse their policy. They made the youtubers share the revenue with them. Big difference.
 

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This guy looking more and more like a paid shill....

Your worst than meachdamonster....

And that is saying something...:snoop:
 

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Nintendo still had to back up from their original stance, and there are tons of other huge companies that aren't doing a thing to pursue these streamers, but in fact, you have cases where they give streamers free stuff to play their games. You have had indies come out and state they'd love to be featured or would even pay to be featured. These huge companies already have the means to shut down streamers if they want to, but they don't. We'll see if Phil Fish puts his money where his mouth is and tells youtube to block streamers from streaming his game. I doubt he'll do it because he doesn't want to miss out on the free exposure.

If I was a company who made an FPS and there was another company with a competing FPS, I'd LOVE for them to shut down the streamers for their game, which would leave them to stream my game. I'm getting millions upon millions of FREE views and mindshare. The Last of Us is a story driven game, and yet Sony didn't do anything to get these Let's Play streamers to remove footage of them playing the game... the game ended up selling several million worldwide.

These companies can try to do a money grab, but what will end up happening is what happened to Nintendo. You don't want me to stream your game or you want significant revenue? I'll just stream another game from a developer who isn't making such a request or is actually willing to pay me/give me free stuff. A lot of developers are smart enough to realize that having your game shown to millions for free is a benefit that far outweighs what small chunk they would get from revenue sharing.
 

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Its pretty simple really. Look how many studios have closed down in the last five years. People just dont get how fragile the gaming market is currently. Have you looked at release schedules? Dry as a bone.


Studios need to be cut into the revenue. Gamers are hurt because that money is being taken out of developers pockets and into some idiot youtubers pocket. Less money going to studios means less games being made.



You people can't see the forest for the trees.


Keep wondering why all we see is fps games and sequels. Studios are dying on their feet.
And youtubes the blame for that right...
 

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Nintendo still had to back up from their original stance, and there are tons of other huge companies that aren't doing a thing to pursue these streamers, but in fact, you have cases where they give streamers free stuff to play their games. You have had indies come out and state they'd love to be featured or would even pay to be featured. These huge companies already have the means to shut down streamers if they want to, but they don't. We'll see if Phil Fish puts his money where his mouth is and tells youtube to block streamers from streaming his game. I doubt he'll do it because he doesn't want to miss out on the free exposure.

If I was a company who made an FPS and there was another company with a competing FPS, I'd LOVE for them to shut down the streamers for their game, which would leave them to stream my game. I'm getting millions upon millions of FREE views and mindshare. The Last of Us is a story driven game, and yet Sony didn't do anything to get these Let's Play streamers to remove footage of them playing the game... the game ended up selling several million worldwide.

These companies can try to do a money grab, but what will end up happening is what happened to Nintendo. You don't want me to stream your game or you want significant revenue? I'll just stream another game from a developer who isn't making such a request or is actually willing to pay me/give me free stuff. A lot of developers are smart enough to realize that having your game shown to millions for free is a benefit that far outweighs what small chunk they would get from revenue sharing.
Fish aint going to do nothing shortly after his comment made his post was taken down and he locked down his twitter as you said man shyts free advertisement.
 

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Fish aint going to do nothing shortly after his comment made his post was taken down and he locked down his twitter as you said man shyts free advertisement.
Exactly, people don't realize how expensive marketing really is, and marketing is especially an issue for indie developers. Never before did they have the opportunity to have their game exposed to millions for free and be in the spotlight. At most, a lot of these games would get a review on a big site which would be lost in the shuffle amongst all the reviews for games from the big companies... but you're telling me a guy with an audience of millions is willing to give my game prime time attention for free? A lot of big companies realize the significance in this as well. They get their game exposed to millions, and YOUTUBE ends up paying the 'marketing fee'. How can you beat a deal like that? There's a reason that if a person put up a download link to an EA game, EA would shut him down immediately upon discovery, but they are leaving streamers alone.
 

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You shouldn't be allowed to play the full game and broadcast it to everyone and just hide behind that and call it "free promotion"

Just think about what you guys are saying...
 
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