YouTubers Union Teams With Actual Labor Union To Pressure YouTube

[AnonymityX1000]

they aren't getting demonetized without explanation, they get demonetized due to a change in the TOS or reaction to various regulations/market reactions. they are trying to say they should have a stake in the decision making that goes into these changes, they absolutely shouldn't.
the TOS and rules are transparent, again, they seem to have an issue with the fact the rules change, that's fukking business. if it seemed like they want a week's notice, i'd be down for that, but per the quoted line, they want to be consulted about changes... no business is consulting millions of people about their business, making these decisions is hard enough with the 10-40 internal employees involved. i wish them the best, but they have no power here and their ask doesn't seem reasonable to me

I have seen a few content creators say they aren't getting explanations. See the video I posted in this thread.

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

I have seen a few content creators say they aren't getting explanations. See the video I posted in this thread.

when i see shyt like this, i gotta , i'm sorry, this is a very complicated field to govern and monetize, things will forever be shifting. then the level of entitlement about not being able to make a living on youtube? get all the way the fukk out of here, you're crying because you can no longer make $60k a year unboxing items while people get up and go to real jobs, where they work hard, and can't make half that. i'm not here for it, and IDGAF

YouTube’s content creators have weathered several waves of mass demonetization over the past few years. You’ve probably heard of the most notorious one in 2017: the “Adpocalypse,” wherein concerns about ads appearing before pro-ISIS propaganda and other extremist content led many advertisers to boycott the platform.

YouTube’s modifications to address these issues combined with its notoriously horrible copyright infringement system and a pattern of inexplicably flagging innocuous videos have severely impacted how independent creators make a living off the platform. This fallout from the “Adpocalypse” inspired Sprave to create the YouTubers Union in 2018.

“The real YouTubers that are the reason for YouTube’s big success are getting censored, deleted, erased, and hidden. Making a living on YouTube is no longer possible,” Sprave explained in the video.

@ the bolded

calling on Youtube to create an independent mediation board to address disputed cases of demonetization and guideline violations, in addition to throwing out their automated system of creator appeals in favor of human points of contact.

Perhaps most importantly, in the video Sprave says content creators want to be included in the company’s decision-making process, such as through the creation of a formal advisory board.

the red is understandable.... to the bolded once again tho

 

[analog]

vimeo has existed for years and hasn't been a challenger. facebook's efforts have also been fledgling. but the same amazon that uderpays both white collar and blue collar employees, the company that doesn't have the billions in ad revenue, is supposed to come up with more favorable terms

Yeah that same Amazon is willing to drop bread to woo these folks off YT

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

Yeah that same Amazon is willing to drop bread to woo these folks off YT

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

Amazon in recent months has been pursuing exclusive livestreaming deals with dozens of popular media companies and personalities,

even amazon isn't trying to build a business on content creators alone...which is the same move YT made - diversify. good for them if they offer lucrative deals to influencers with millions of followers, but in 5 years if/when twitch has too many content creators to support the large payouts it's offering today, the same complaints will surface.

 

[AnonymityX1000]

when i see shyt like this, i gotta , i'm sorry, this is a very complicated field to govern and monetize, things will forever be shifting. then the level of entitlement about not being able to make a living on youtube? get all the way the fukk out of here, you're crying because you can no longer make $60k a year unboxing items while people get up and go to real jobs, where they work hard, and can't make half that. i'm not here for it, and IDGAF

@ the bolded
the red is understandable.... to the bolded once again tho

You are starting to not make sense. You came in here saying content providers should build their own platforms and host their own videos. Now it is 'a very complicated field to govern and monetize'. So did you expect novices or experts in other fields to be able to navigate getting a video platform up and running or were you just bullshytting?!
They are not entitled, they previously made a living off youtube and do to changes that seem arbitrary because youtube won't explain them they no longer can. The expectation comes from previously doing it with youtube's help, they aren't just bytching about something that never happened before. And you are shytting on them for wanting to continue? You would rather they get shytty 'real jobs' making half that? Half that is poverty so yeah it's obvious you don't give a fukk, you just on some corporate protecting mission.

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

You are starting to not make sense. You came in here saying content providers should build their own platforms and host their own videos. Now it is 'a very complicated field to govern and monetize'. So did you expect novices or experts in other fields to be able to navigate getting a video platform up and running or were you just bullshytting?!
They are not entitled, they previously made a living off youtube and do to changes that seem arbitrary because youtube won't explain them they no longer can. The expectation comes from previously doing it with youtube's help, they aren't just bytching about something that never happened before. And you are shytting on them for wanting to continue? You would rather they get shytty 'real jobs' making half that? Half that is poverty so yeah it's obvious you don't give a fukk, you just on some corporate protecting mission.

breh, how am i not making sense? if they publish their own shyt on their own site, they don't have to figure out how to split revenue (thus the changing revenue model YT gets slammed for), they keep it all. they also don't have to take down their content based on offending another part of their user base (thus less governance)...again, how does this ontg make sense?

and miss me with the rest of your rambling. i'm not crying over "youtube personality" being a job that doesn't provide a living.

 

[AnonymityX1000]

breh, how am i not making sense? if they publish their own shyt on their own site, they don't have to figure out how to split revenue (thus the changing revenue model YT gets slammed for), they keep it all. they also don't have to take down their content based on offending another part of their user base (thus less governance)...again, how does this ontg make sense?

and miss me with the rest of your rambling. i'm not crying over "youtube personality" being a job that doesn't provide a living.

Because you just said, "i'm sorry, this is a very complicated field to govern and monetize". If that's the case only content providers who make videos on video hosting on the internet can actually do it right? Or is it not a very complicated field? Please clarify.
Obviously, you are just crying over YouTube being held to account by their content providers. You definitely picked a side.

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

Because you just said, "i'm sorry, this is a very complicated field to govern and monetize". If that's the case only content providers who make videos on video hosting on the internet can actually do it right? Or is it not a very complicated field? Please clarify.
Obviously, you are just crying over YouTube being held to account by their content providers. You definitely picked a side.

My nikka, are you dense? I just explained why it’s difficult with YouTube, a platform with millions of creators and hundreds of millions of visitors vs what happens when you have your own site that’s only attracting people who like and agree with your content. If you can’t see how scale makes YouTube’s process more complex then you need to stay out of discussions about business


And no shyt I picked a side, my first post made that clear

 

[AnonymityX1000]

My nikka, are you dense? I just explained why it’s difficult with YouTube, a platform with millions of creators and hundreds of millions of visitors vs what happens when you have your own site that’s only attracting people who like and agree with your content. If you can’t see how scale makes YouTube’s process more complex then you need to stay out of discussions about business


And no shyt I picked a side, my first post made that clear

Oh it's about scale?! But you expect an individual to do for self what a billion dollar company with thousands of employees is doing for them? For them it's easy but for Google/YouTube it's difficult? How convenient to the side you picked.

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

Oh it's about scale?! But you expect an individual to do for self what a billion dollar company with thousands of employees is doing for them? For them it's easy but for Google/YouTube it's difficult? How convenient to the side you picked.

Damn, you truly are dumb

Let’s spell this out - YouTube has 1.3B people watching over 5B videos a day. So yes, it’s harder for them to keep controversial content up for fear of offending some of their users and scaring off advertisers

If I make my own website about loving guns, I clearly only appeal to those who like guns and people who want to advertise on a gun website. See how less complicated that is?

 

[AnonymityX1000]

Damn, you truly are dumb

Let’s spell this out - YouTube has 1.3B people watching over 5B videos a day. So yes, it’s harder for them to keep controversial content up for fear of offending some of their users and scaring off advertisers

If I make my own website about loving guns, I clearly only appeal to those who like guns and people who want to advertise on a gun website. See how less complicated that is?

How many people do they have maintaining the site? Are they experts in their field? Do they have another job?
If you love guns and that is your focus how good are you at A/V, coding, web hosting, tech in general? Is your site profitable enough that you don't have another job?

Information you are ignoring to cover for a billion dollar company. You should be proud of yourself. lol

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

Oh it's about scale?! But you expect an individual to do for self what a billion dollar company with thousands of employees is doing for them? For them it's easy but for Google/YouTube it's difficult? How convenient to the side you picked.

Damn, you truly are dumb

Let’s spell this out - YouTube has 1.3B people watching over 5B videos a day. So yes, it’s harder for them to keep controversial content up for fear of offending some of their users and scaring off advertisers

If I make my own website about loving guns, I clearly only appeal to those who like guns and people who want to advertise on a gun website. See how less complicated that is?

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

How many people do they have maintaining the site? Are they experts in their field? Do they have another job?
If you love guns and that is your focus how good are you at A/V, coding, web hosting, tech in general? Is your site profitable enough that you don't have another job?

Information you are ignoring to cover for a billion dollar company. You should be proud of yourself. lol

That’s exactly why YouTube is doing them a favor and they need to play by the rules, because they don’t want to put forth the effort to host their own content...and you don’t need to code to know how to do that. Wow @capinf for people who want to upload videos and make $70k a year, but the minute you tell them to put in more work than browsing to a file in their phone, it becomes unacceptable. You’re an idiot man

 

[AnonymityX1000]

That’s exactly why YouTube is doing them a favor and they need to play by the rules, because they don’t want to put forth the effort to host their own content...and you don’t need to code to know how to do that. Wow @capinf for people who want to upload videos and make $70k a year, but the minute you tell them to put in more work than browsing to a file in their phone, it becomes unacceptable. You’re an idiot man

I punch up not down, you begrudging content providers their living they got in concert with YouTube's help is very Republican of you. They are asking for more transparency and say in what to this point has been a lucrative Enterprise for both sides. "The nerve of these losers!" Is the sentiment? Just wow.