YouTubers Union Teams With Actual Labor Union To Pressure YouTube

[analog]

Yes and no, without them, YouTube would still be full of music videos, sports clips, tv shows/clips, company channels, etc. the content creators with serious followings can easily pay for their own infrastructure and host their own content.

That's a slippery slope for YouTube though. All these corporate backed channels can pull their content off YouTube and rely on their own exclusive platforms. What do you think is keeping them on YT?

These content creators have become an integral part of YouTube, and it's in both parties best interests to come to mutually beneficial terms. I feel these cats in Germany unionizing is a move in the right direction in terms of being heard, and exacting meaningful changes.

 

[analog]

I legit use YouTube and never watch a fukking thing by these content creators...

I'm curious, what are you watching on YT?

Personally, aside from the odd music video, or ESPN clip, the vast majority of the content I'm viewing are from Creators.

 

[Killah Ray]

I'm curious, what are you watching on YT?

Personally, aside from the odd music video, or ESPN clip, the vast majority of the content I'm viewing are from Creators.

Trailers, sports highlights, the closest I'd say I watch creators would be ign which I dont think classifies as that...

 

[Sauce Dab]

So if these content creators took their content off YouTube what would they do? Put it on their own website? Ehhh it could hurt both but I feel it’ll hurt the creators more than YouTube

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

I did read it, that's not their only complaint and it hasn't reached that stage yet.
So, you're saying if they tell them to kick rocks no biggie? Don't think that's wise IMO. Sit down with them at least.

where do you see them telling them to kick rocks? and yes, i think it's quite appropriate to say, these are the terms of our business, they are subject to change - which we will alert you of, you can choose to accept these terms to use our service or you can decide that you don't like the terms and not use the service. we do this every single day in our lives from basic car rental contracts, to agreeing to TOS for software/apps, to using this damn site. it's your choice to use the service or not

That's a slippery slope for YouTube though. All these corporate backed channels can pull their content off YouTube and rely on their own exclusive platforms. What do you think is keeping them on YT?

These content creators have become an integral part of YouTube, and it's in both parties best interests to come to mutually beneficial terms. I feel these cats in Germany unionizing is a move in the right direction in terms of being hard, and exacting meaningful changes.

there isn't anything YT is doing that's not mutually beneficial for them, they host content for free, no infra or coding skills required, they get paid. how they get paid and what content doesn't get approved is up to YT. i'm sorry but there are tons of different places to host content, YT does not need to consult them on how they build their payout structure nor about what content is appropriate...this one especially, YT is in an impossible position given how sensitive everyone is these days. they can unionize all they want, not sure how that works when you're voluntarily using a service....not an employee or contractor

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

I'm curious, what are you watching on YT?

Personally, aside from the odd music video, or ESPN clip, the vast majority of the content I'm viewing are from Creators.

I don't watch much on YT other than the occasional hair review/style tutorial or home/car repair tutorial. The hair stuff, even the big people aren't going anywhere because they do not have acumen to set up hosting on their own, and those home/car tutorials are have like 100,000 views over 3-5 years, so they aren't really there for the money/a big draw. there are way more small content creators as opposed to influencers, influencers can easily put in the effort and investment and take their content elsewhere

 

[AnonymityX1000]

where do you see them telling them to kick rocks? and yes, i think it's quite appropriate to say, these are the terms of our business, they are subject to change - which we will alert you of, you can choose to accept these terms to use our service or you can decide that you don't like the terms and not use the service. we do this every single day in our lives from basic car rental contracts, to agreeing to TOS for software/apps, to using this damn site. it's your choice to use the service or not

there isn't anything YT is doing that's not mutually beneficial for them, they host content for free, no infra or coding skills required, they get paid. how they get paid and what content doesn't get approved is up to YT. i'm sorry but there are tons of different places to host content, YT does not need to consult them on how they build their payout structure nor about what content is appropriate...this one especially, YT is in an impossible position given how sensitive everyone is these days. they can unionize all they want, not sure how that works when you're voluntarily using a service....not an employee or contractor

The difference between your examples and the topic of discussion is while they are using youtube as a platform, youtube is also using them to attract viewers and they pay them a % of the ad revenue the content providers generate. Youtube puts out terms of service, content providers follow them and then they get demonitized anyway without explanation.
Youtube would make a mistake ignoring their demands and being rigid with their terms. It would be bad PR wise.

 

[analog]

there isn't anything YT is doing that's not mutually beneficial for them, they host content for free, no infra or coding skills required, they get paid. how they get paid and what content doesn't get approved is up to YT. i'm sorry but there are tons of different places to host content, YT does not need to consult them on how they build their payout structure nor about what content is appropriate...this one especially, YT is in an impossible position given how sensitive everyone is these days. they can unionize all they want, not sure how that works when you're voluntarily using a service....not an employee or contractor

YT has openly sought out, and invited creators on to their platform with the promise of "partnerships" and compensation. The main thing these folks are asking for is transparency on aspects that affect their earning ability. Seems like a fair ask to me considering all the major changes on YT as of late.

 

[Hood Critic]

Why does YouTube have so much traffic? Isn't because of the content creators?

Such an irrelevant argument when content creators are monetizing that same content. Youtube monetization isn't what it used to be but its a mutually beneficial relationship.

A lot of people overlook why some of the Youtube rule changes that caused a lot of these new monetization changes are in place, copyright claims and pointless rick roll like videos cluttering up the platform.

I have to read the full demands but from a quick skim, content creators want more leverage in monetization changes because they're seeing a decline in their profits and seriously doubt if they get what they want.

 

[AnonymityX1000]

Such an irrelevant argument when content creators are monetizing that same content. Youtube monetization isn't what it used to be but its a mutually beneficial relationship.

A lot of people overlook why some of the Youtube rule changes that caused a lot of these new monetization changes are in place, copyright claims and pointless rick roll like videos cluttering up the platform.

I have to read the full demands but from a quick skim, content creators want more leverage in monetization changes because they're seeing a decline in their profits and seriously doubt if they get what they want.

Content providers are claiming they are following the rules they are presented and still being demonetized. And they get no explanation.



Comments under this video:
YouTube is becoming a bad joke. This is a dangerous development.


JB Jones1 week ago
I'm cancelling my YouTube premium subscription. This is not right...


Vesa Kilpi1 week ago
You get demonetized and I have to watch longer and more irrelevant commercials in the beginning of your clips. WTF?


Stampede Musicja1 week ago
Youtube behaviour will lead to their own down fall.


Driveway Turtle1 week ago
We need to complain to youtube. Some channels have been remonitized when subscribers overwhelmed Youtube with protests.


Jͼan1 week ago
I watch Youtube to ESCAPE corporate media. What's the point of youtube if its just another corporate outlet?


Jasmine Yamahata1 week ago
This is happening to all kinds of youtubers. It's YouTube trying to avoid paying creators.


Jeff Hambleton1 week ago
Some body's trying to shut you down. This is politics in action.


Christian Phoenix1 week ago
Come on!! What is going on with You Tube!! Pakman we need to do something- can we contact YouTube? Your show is great.


Eternal Zoom1 week ago
There really needs to be a YouTube competitor.


Bobby Lorka1 week ago
What's the point of YouTube if they only allow corporate outlets...


HawaiiMusicSupply1 week ago
You're being demonetized for "not being advertiser-friendly", but we see ads on those videos.


Bishop Don Digimon Farrakhan Magic Juan1 week ago
I was unsubbed from you, and only noticed when you mentioned the button and it was red. that's wild.


The King's Kid1 week ago
Thanks for mentioning the subscribe issue, otherwise I might not of noticed that I was not subscribed.


no way1 week ago (edited)
Its the new form of censorship subtle and corporate, theyre getting serious now across all social media. Its anti civil society in general.


Meech Media1 week ago
Funny how YouTube is becoming the exact thing it was created to not be... Tragic


stheday11 week ago
Everyone is afraid of Trump..he is killing our democracy.


Jeremy Gregorio1 week ago
I'm subscribed but I don't get notifications even with the bell fully clicked


Mark S1 week ago
Are you sure you're not getting reported by right-wing trolls?


Patrick Pepin1 week ago
Sorry to hear this David. I really enjoy watching your channel.


Rachel K1 week ago
You Tube is also adding more and longer commercials. I hate it.


MrDoublehappy2 days ago
I was going to get YouTube premium - I am boycotting !!!! For you David !!!!


MontanaMountainMen1 week ago
When YT did this to gun channels the left cheered. When YT did it to conservatives you laughed into tears, now its you and you are pissed well welcome to the party.


PolitiSnap1 week ago
Corporate fascist takeover. This hurts startups like ours from even getting off the ground. Time to organize and fight back.


Simon Crow1 week ago
There has to be more video platforms. This not going to stop until we destroy the monopoly.


Spunky19911 week ago
YouTube is becoming an absolute joke. Facebook is hurting their content creators as well.


linkmaster771 week ago
"75% of our videos" in the title is misleading if it was only 75% of the videos you uploaded yesterday.


Koffing1 week ago
The title is kind of clickbait. It makes it seem like 75% of the whole channel was demonetized.


Chris Barker1 week ago
I'm still a subscriber. Maybe I'll sign up to do the $1.99 a month thing.


Laydie Elle5 days ago
"YouTube Just Demonetized 75% Of Our Videos" Reason: You talk about important things.


fred fox1 week ago
You Tube gets worse every week. As an avid viewer, I'm sick of two commercials before and after a two minute video.


holy moly6 days ago
1st they came for us you said nothing... then they came for you and there was no one left to fight for you


MrDoublehappy2 days ago
What is needed is a super channel that we users pay for and gather up our favourite channels to watch without any advertising - its time for super channeling !!!!!!


Peter Parker1 week ago
They are going after you for telling the truth and exposing their corrupt ass. Thank you for taking that risk. I got your back.


fuzzy fuzzy1 week ago
i had to subscribe to your channel TWICE within 2 months

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REPLY

If they take the next step of telling content providers, "Sorry, use it how it is or leave." Not only they will be leaving so will a lot of viewers.

 

[analog]

Speaking of other options, or lack thereof, I remember amazon wanting to enter/increase its presence in this segment. This could hurt YT in the long term with amazon enticing creators with more favorable terms.

 

[Hood Critic]

What is the reason he is being given for being demonetized? I have seen a lot of stories like this, and I don't doubt them at all, but I noticed that most of these same folks never mentioned why they were ultimately demonetized when they reach out.

That is the major flaw in the system, a lack of an efficient notification system.

 

[AnonymityX1000]

What is the reason he is being given for being demonetized? I have seen a lot of stories like this, and I don't doubt them at all, but I noticed that most of these same folks never mentioned why they were ultimately demonetized when they reach out.

That is the major flaw in the system, a lack of an efficient notification system.

Sometimes they aren't given a reason. They just point to the terms of service. The content creators are claiming they followed the terms and get no other reply from youtube. That's a problem, and many of their demands surround this communication vacuum:

• Transparent content decisions - Open up direct communication between the censors ("content department") and the Creators.
• Stop demonetization as a whole - If a video is in line with your rules, allow ads on an even scale
• Clarify the rules - Bring out clear rules with clear examples about what is OK and what is a No-No.

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

The difference between your examples and the topic of discussion is while they are using youtube as a platform, youtube is also using them to attract viewers and they pay them a % of the ad revenue the content providers generate. Youtube puts out terms of service, content providers follow them and then they get demonitized anyway without explanation.
Youtube would make a mistake ignoring their demands and being rigid with their terms. It would be bad PR wise.

they aren't getting demonetized without explanation, they get demonetized due to a change in the TOS or reaction to various regulations/market reactions. they are trying to say they should have a stake in the decision making that goes into these changes, they absolutely shouldn't.

YT has openly sought out, and invited creators on to their platform with the promise of "partnerships" and compensation. The main thing these folks are asking for is transparency on aspects that affect their earning ability. Seems like a fair ask to me considering all the major changes on YT as of late.

the TOS and rules are transparent, again, they seem to have an issue with the fact the rules change, that's fukking business. if it seemed like they want a week's notice, i'd be down for that, but per the quoted line, they want to be consulted about changes... no business is consulting millions of people about their business, making these decisions is hard enough with the 10-40 internal employees involved. i wish them the best, but they have no power here and their ask doesn't seem reasonable to me

creators have consistently spoken out about changes to the massive platform that they say they are rarely consulted on that affect their ability to make money.

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

Speaking of other options, or lack thereof, I remember amazon wanting to enter/increase its presence in this segment. This could hurt YT in the long term with amazon enticing creators with more favorable terms.

vimeo has existed for years and hasn't been a challenger. facebook's efforts have also been fledgling. but the same amazon that uderpays both white collar and blue collar employees, the company that doesn't have the billions in ad revenue, is supposed to come up with more favorable terms