Yvette Carnell vs Boyce Watkins. Yvette sets it on Boyce

[SunZoo]

I'm not going to get into who's winning the beef but from the couple videos I've watched of her's she seems to be harping on the government and what they aren't/should be doing...she's not wrong but in the meantime, financial literacy and other skills can help individuals circumvent obstacles in the system as is unltil we can actaully get people in government that really wish to govern.

Her and Boyce should be working together on their own fronts...not bickering, if that's what they are in fact doing.

 

[Kitsch]

 

[Crude Abolitionist]

What is going on with this beef though. This is tired. Either work together or stop sniping. Yvette just needs to understand people think differently simple as that. She should also just run for office at this point since she believes the Government will change everything for us.

 

[Strapped]

Yeah she really needs to run in a black city

 

[Nigerianwonder]

What is going on with this beef though. This is tired. Either work together or stop sniping. Yvette just needs to understand people think differently simple as that. She should also just run for office at this point since she believes the Government will change everything for us.

Its not simply a difference of opinion. It's a refusal by one side(Boyce) to deal with reality and facts. Data and facts are not subjective. That's the problem yall are having. The Government being the LARGEST employer of black people is not an opinion.It's a fact. And those decent paying govt jobs helping to create the modern day black middle class as we know it is not an opinion. It's just facts. Data shows that blacks are underemployed and underpaid in private companies. Govt jobs literally saved black america. That's a fact whether you like it or not.

Data shows most business will fail and most black businesses don't generate hardly any revenue and have ZERO employees. Those are facts. Doesnt mean you dont try or dont start businesses. I have my own side business too. You can pretend all you want that the govt you support and pay your tax dollars to doesn't impact how you live your life everyday but you would be factually incorrect and delusional.

 

[southern.girl]

Its not simply a difference of opinion. It's a refusal by one side(Boyce) to deal with reality and facts. Data and facts are not subjective. That's the problem yall are having. The Government being the LARGEST employer of black people is not an opinion.It's a fact. And those decent paying govt jobs helping to create the modern day black middle class as we know it is not an opinion. It's just facts. Data shows that blacks are underemployed and underpaid in private companies. Govt jobs literally saved black america. That's a fact whether you like it or not.

Data shows most business will fail and most black businesses don't generate hardly any revenue and have ZERO employees. Those are facts. Doesnt mean you dont try or dont start businesses. I have my own side business too. You can pretend all you want that the govt you support and pay your tax dollars to doesn't impact how you live your life everyday but you would be factually incorrect and delusional.

I think you're slightly off base with the bolded. If Boyce really felt this way, he would not support reparations...which he does support. Boyce's POV is that he's gonna focus on what he can change...and that is financial literacy and education.

I agree with all the facts that Yvette provides. But that doesn't mean that we should stop trying. <<< That is exactly Boyce's point.

 

[DrX]

both of them make good points but tone and yvette is more correct ......

boyce is a good dude but hes also a business man and he gotta keep ppl hopeful

i do think yvette be going a little too hard on him tho considering he helped build her platform...nothing wrong with disagreeing buy she constantly comes at his neck

 

[Nigerianwonder]

I think you're slightly off base with the bolded. If Boyce really felt this way, he would not support reparations...which he does support. Boyce's POV is that he's gonna focus on what he can change...and that is financial literacy and education.

The problem is that wont work for the average black person. The average black person has no access to wealth to draw upon!! Boyce's advice is great for established upper middle class and upper class black folks with at least some generational wealth. But the average black person individually makes less than 20k a year. That just a sad fact and reality. Black families and households only bring in around 40k a year as a unit. Boyce may as well be talking to a wall.

There MUST be a complete paradigm shift to change this. The government is the only institution that causes massive shifts like that and it has throughout history. That's how white folks got in the position they are today. Govt initiated economic stimulus created the wealth of most of the white owned businesses yall love to praise so much. The civil rights act is another example of govt causing a shift. Free healthcare (single payer) if we ever get it would be modern example of govt casing a paradigm shift that would have ripple effects throughout considering healthcare cost are the number 1 cause of bankruptcy in this country (even more so for black folks). Legalizing weed is another example. Now you can start a business selling weed instead of getting locked up for it. I could on and on but you get the point.

 

[southern.girl]

The problem is that wont work for the average black person. The average black person has no access to wealth to draw upon!! Boyce's advice is great for established upper middle class and upper class black folks with at least some generational wealth. But the average black person individually makes less than 20k a year. That just a sad fact and reality. Black families and households only bring in around 40k a year as a unit. Boyce may as well be talking to a wall.

There MUST be a complete paradigm shift to change this. The government is the only institution that causes massive shifts like that and it has throughout history. That's how white folks got in the position they are today. Govt initiated economic stimulus created the wealth of most of the white owned businesses yall love to praise so much. The civil rights act is another example of govt causing a shift. Free healthcare (single payer) if we ever get it would be modern example of govt casing a paradigm shift that would have ripple effects throughout considering healthcare cost are the number 1 cause of bankruptcy in this country (even more so for black folks). Legalizing weed is another example. Now you can start a business selling weed instead of getting locked up for it. I could on and on but you get the point.

Boyce speaks on building black businesses and primarily supporting black businesses when you can. Paraphrasing his words >>> "If he reaches black kids and they excel at entrepreneurship, they can employ tons of black people...therefore "putting money in black folks pockets." Most business start as a party of one and we have to start somewhere.

I agree. Government needs to atone for the trauma afflicted on black people for us to truly be on a level playing field. However, my questions remain...

1. How long is it going to take to receive reparations and
2. What are black people supposed be doing in the meantime while waiting for reparations?

 

[Nigerianwonder]

Boyce speaks on building black businesses and primarily promoting black businesses when you can. Paraphrasing his words >>> "If he reaches black kids and they excel at entrepreneurship, they can employ tons of black people...therefore "putting money in black folks pockets." Most business start as a party of one and we have to start somewhere.

I agree. Government needs to atone for the trauma afflicted on black people for us to truly be on a level playing field. However, my questions remain...

1. How long is it going to take to receive reparations and
2. What are black people supposed be doing in the meantime while waiting for reparations?

Telling the average black person who makes less than 20k a year to start a business or attempt to invest in the stock market is simply BAD ADVICE. That's like telling someone they need to make the NBA. We know what percentage of black businesses fail (Over 80% in the first few months), we know why they fail (lack of capital), and of those that survive the majority don't bring in any real revenue and have no employees other than the owner. knowing that.. you are literally setting people up for failure. Now for established upper class and upper middle class black folks.. they definitely need to take those chances when possible and pursue entrepreneurship in a responsible manner.

Now for your questions.
1) Until black folks demand it and are willing to die for it like our elders fought and died for civil rights. It make take some civil unrest. But even mainstream white politicians have already ran on pro reparations platforms last election. The concept is not something new to the political landscape.

2) Continue to educate yourself, arm yourself, and take care of your family and community.

 

[J-Fire]

I think you're slightly off base with the bolded. If Boyce really felt this way, he would not support reparations...which he does support. Boyce's POV is that he's gonna focus on what he can change...and that is financial literacy and education.

I agree with all the facts that Yvette provides. But that doesn't mean that we should stop trying. <<< That is exactly Boyce's point.

But why Boyce ain't going hard at the government & politicans!?!! Looks like he gave up!

 

[J-Fire]

Boyce speaks on building black businesses and primarily supporting black businesses when you can. Paraphrasing his words >>> "If he reaches black kids and they excel at entrepreneurship, they can employ tons of black people...therefore "putting money in black folks pockets." Most business start as a party of one and we have to start somewhere.

I agree. Government needs to atone for the trauma afflicted on black people for us to truly be on a level playing field. However, my questions remain...

1. How long is it going to take to receive reparations and
2. What are black people supposed be doing in the meantime while waiting for reparations?

What are you doing now while waiting on reparations!?!? You still work & try to get paid...even after reparations cause the cash value is only 16 trillion split by about 40milly.

But 400k you'll get is good for bills, investments, business and/or housing. It catches you up... doesn't mean you stop your daily grind at all!!!!

 

[DEAD7]

"The money we pay in taxes should be directed to address the needs of our communities" -Yvette



How is she incorrect? or misguided?

 

[southern.girl]

Telling the average black person who makes less than 20k a year to start a business or attempt to invest in the stock market is simply BAD ADVICE. That's like telling someone they need to make the NBA. We know what percentage of black businesses fail (Over 80% in the first few months), we know why they fail (lack of capital), and of those that survive the majority don't bring in any real revenue and have no employees other than the owner. knowing that.. you are literally setting people up for failure. Now for established upper class and upper middle class black folks.. they definitely need to take those chances when possible and pursue entrepreneurship in a responsible manner.

Now for your questions.
1) Until black folks demand it and are willing to die for it like our elders fought and died for civil rights. It make take some civil unrest. But even mainstream white politicians have already ran on pro reparations platforms last election. The concept is not something new to the political landscape.

2) Continue to educate yourself, arm yourself, and take care of your family and community.

Boyce teaches financial literacy too which can still help those who can't afford to start a business. Economics moves politics so if black people have no money, we similarly will have no political power. Educating yourself & taking care of your family/community aligns with both Yvette's & Boyce's founding principles.

But why Boyce ain't going hard at the government & politicans!?!! Looks like he gave up!

Everyone will not choose the same path to dismantle white supremacy...and that's okay.

What are you doing now while waiting on reparations!?!? You still work & try to get paid...even after reparations cause the cash value is only 16 trillion split by about 40milly.

But 400k you'll get is good for bills, investments, business and/or housing. It catches you up... doesn't mean you stop your daily grind at all!!!!

If someone is starting a business, they are trying to get paid. If someone enhances their financial literacy, they will be better equipped to maintain & grow this money received from reparations...this person will also be in a better financial position if we never receive reparations.

"The money we pay in taxes should be directed to address the needs of our communities" -Yvette



How is she incorrect? or misguided?

No one said that Yvette was incorrect. Most people are saying that both POVs are necessary.

 

[Turbulent]

"The money we pay in taxes should be directed to address the needs of our communities" -Yvette



How is she incorrect? or misguided?

It's not about being incorrect. She's not necessarily incorrect. Yes things should be a certain way. But they aren't. So now what is your plan to make them the way they should be? If there is no plan to make things the way they should be then what other options or ideas are you contributing to better the situation? Saying the govt needs to do ABC is one thing. But how do you force the govt to do it? Counting on the govt or politicians to do the right thing out of the goodness of their heart is not going to work.