Zach Wilson has lost the Jets locker room, Update: Benched, It's Over

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Did the broncos “fail” him?

No. He was there for one year and was beaten out by Bo Nix, who went on to play well. I am confident that Zach would have looked OK under Payton's guidance had he won the job.

The Jets failed him because they hitched their wagon to him as the guy and didn't do enough to ensure his success (not enough teams do that), especially when his play showed that the infrastructure around him (skill guys, coaching, OL, etc.) mattered more than whatever ability/potential he had.

All Denver did (and owed him) was give him a chance and a reset. They did their part.
 

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I agree. I said as much. Despite his talent, he's not played the QB position well (I also don't think the Jets set him up for success).

Zach can make plenty of highlight reel throws but he struggled with the layups too much, and the layups are what keep drives alive/manageable more than anything.

He'll likely never start again, but he'll make good money as a backup solely because there are throws he can make that a lot of other people can't make. If Tua goes down again, and Zach goes out there and ends up going gangbusters -- as Miami is BY FAR the best offense he's played on -- he'll stay gainfully employed.
He stopped struggling with those layups his laat year as a Jet because his mechanics night and day improved.

Hes going to bounce around for a while but will eventually become a starter again in this league.
 

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No. He was there for one year and was beaten out by Bo Nix, who went on to play well. I am confident that Zach would have looked OK under Payton's guidance had he won the job.

The Jets failed him because they hitched their wagon to him as the guy and didn't do enough to ensure his success (not enough teams do that), especially when his play showed that the infrastructure around him (skill guys, coaching, OL, etc.) mattered more than whatever ability/potential he had.

All Denver did (and owed him) was give him a chance and a reset. They did their part.
So he’s a career backup who got overdrafted then?

The Jets hitched their wagon to a guy who had a cannon for an arm but was not a good QB. That’s where the failure happened. They weren’t asking him to be Superman, they were asking him not to be Jamarcus Russell but he couldn’t even do that.
 

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He stopped struggling with those layups his laat year as a Jet because his mechanics night and day improved.

Hes going to bounce around for a while but will eventually become a starter again in this league.
Still not gonna take me up on my bet about the number of career starts or nah
 

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He stopped struggling with those layups his laat year as a Jet because his mechanics night and day improved.

Hes going to bounce around for a while but will eventually become a starter again in this league.

Possibly. The physical talent is there. Several players have said as much. He has to land with a team that has good coaching.
 

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Huh?

I dont even remember talking to you or barely know who you are.

Give me a number. You were confident that he was gonna be a starter and in this thread apparently believe he still will be

Over under 30 starts? Is that fair

You ducked it the entire thread because you know he’s ass

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Give me a number. You were confident that he was gonna be a starter and in this thread apparently believe he still will be

Over under 30 starts? Is that fair

You ducked it the entire thread because you know he’s ass

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I cant predict a number of starts. What type of dumb shyt is that? If he doesnt start again, Im wrong and life goes on. Its not that serious.

What I do know better than you are the Jets. The Jets did more harm to him, Geno, & Darnold than they did to themselves. Zach’s potential QB coach his rookie year dying after that biking accident. Im not a qb guru but learned enough from my boy whose son is at Vtech and another kid he has at GA to know a qb with poor throwing mechanics. Most of his ints his second season were from ATROCIOUS mechanics making awkward off platform throws , feet pointed opposite from where he going. He made costly mistakes as a result. He finally cleaned them up in year 3 and showed me he has potential. Went 7 straight games without an INT while playing for the worst OC in NFL history with Nathanial Hackett.

I KNOW you wont watch 16 minutes of this Giant game, ans will likely reply before that, but this was the most impressed I was by him because he made no dumb throws in a game where Dexter Lawrence set an NFL RECORD of having 12 pressures from the zero technique with Zach running for his life. He made not a single bad read in a game he saw his most pressure



The Jets fukk up qbs and is a place where young qbs go to die
 

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I cant predict a number of starts. What type of dumb shyt is that? If he doesnt start again, Im wrong and life goes on. Its not that serious.

What I do know better than you are the Jets. The Jets did more harm to him, Geno, & Darnold than they did to themselves. Zach’s potential QB coach his rookie year dying after that biking accident. Im not a qb guru but learned enough from my boy whose son is at Vtech and another kid he has at GA to know a qb with poor throwing mechanics. Most of his ints his second season were from ATROCIOUS mechanics making awkward off platform throws , feet pointed opposite from where he going. He made costly mistakes as a result. He finally cleaned them up in year 3 and showed me he has potential. Went 7 straight games without an INT while playing for the worst OC in NFL history with Nathanial Hackett.

I KNOW you wont watch 16 minutes of this Giant game, ans will likely reply before that, but this was the most impressed I was by him because he made no dumb throws in a game where Dexter Lawrence set an NFL RECORD of having 12 pressures from the zero technique with Zach running for his life. He made not a single bad read in a game he saw his most pressure



The Jets fukk up qbs and is a place where young qbs go to die

When you claim he’s gonna be a starter down the line, I don’t think it’s unreasonable to ask how many starts or how long that starting experience is gonna be. Is he gonna be a guy who starts do to injury or someone that a team believes in to be the guy?

If he was truly wronged by the jets than he should be successful somewhere else now? If he sucks there too it’s probably him why is that unreasonable?

The jets draft bad QBs and are suprised they suck in the NFL. Also Geno and Sam had way worse teams than Zach ever had lol.
 

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So he’s a career backup who got overdrafted then?

The Jets hitched their wagon to a guy who had a cannon for an arm but was not a good QB. That’s where the failure happened. They weren’t asking him to be Superman, they were asking him not to be Jamarcus Russell but he couldn’t even do that.

Short answer: They failed because they threw a QB into a fire he wasn't ready for, and they missed badly on offensive/QB specific coaching hires and OL signings (injuries played a role) during his time as the unquestioned starter. The QB failed because he lacked maturity and lost the locker room. By the time he got his attitude together, it was too late as the OL and coaching was still ass. Both sides played a significant role.

Long answer: Here's the thing.

Any player drafted in the top 5-10 has expectations from the organization of not only starting immediately but either playing well or showing enough flashes to where you can confidently say "He's the guy, we need to build around him." Zach Wilson was drafted to be Superman because of an impressive throw he made in a controlled environment with no pads, no pass rush, and nothing going on to make that throw harder.

Front offices need to temper their damn expectations. A QB needy organization drafted a QB that had maybe the highest ceiling coming out, but was also a one-year wonder who frankly needed to sit. That's not how shyt works in NY, given Jets media and Madden appears to have more of a say on how the front office looks at rosters than the coaches do. NY expects greatness sooner than later

Anyway, where the Jets failed was not giving him good coaching off the rip, and never getting the OL issue corrected. The 2021 draft itself, the front office tried. They picked Alijah Vera-Tucker after him (who has since been plagued by injuries) and brought in Elijah Moore, who is a WR that I think is considerably better than what his career shows. Regardless, Wilson wasn't ready to play as a rookie, and the Jets were across the board terrible. It's cool, I'll say it's a wash.

2022, the Jets have an amazing draft as far as cornerstones, and they start out well because of a championship-caliber defense. With them bringing Garrett and Breece into the fold, expectations increase on Zach, and this is where Zach takes his share of the blame. He showed his immaturity and lost the locker room, as it was clear they were winning in spite of him. It didn't help that the guy who made the offense go -- Breece -- tore his ACL midway through the season.

2023 Zach is what you're looking to see from him in 2021. Flashes. But by now, it's two years too late (really one), he played behind a terrible OL and Nathaniel Hackett was his OC. Nobody wins in that situation. Hell, Aaron Rodgers came in during 2024, had what is objectively a top 5 QB season in Jets history, and they still won less games this year in the previous two years with Zach mainly at the helm.

The Jets have never truly developed a QB into something, and coincidentally enough QBs who have left the Jets go on to actually look like something in competent organizations.
 

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When you claim he’s gonna be a starter down the line, I don’t think it’s unreasonable to ask how many starts or how long that starting experience is gonna be.
I said he will likely be a starter again, I cant predict how many games.

Thats dumb. If he doesnt start, so what? Im supposed to be afraid of being wrong on a messageboard? :dahell:
 

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Short answer: They failed because they threw a QB into a fire he wasn't ready for, and they missed badly on offensive/QB specific coaching hires and OL signings (injuries played a role) during his time as the unquestioned starter. The QB failed because he lacked maturity and lost the locker room. By the time he got his attitude together, it was too late as the OL and coaching was still ass. Both sides played a significant role.

Long answer: Here's the thing.

Any player drafted in the top 5-10 has expectations from the organization of not only starting immediately but either playing well or showing enough flashes to where you can confidently say "He's the guy, we need to build around him." Zach Wilson was drafted to be Superman because of an impressive throw he made in a controlled environment with no pads, no pass rush, and nothing going on to make that throw harder.

Front offices need to temper their damn expectations. A QB needy organization drafted a QB that had maybe the highest ceiling coming out, but was also a one-year wonder who frankly needed to sit. That's not how shyt works in NY, given Jets media and Madden appears to have more of a say on how the front office looks at rosters than the coaches do. NY expects greatness sooner than later

Anyway, where the Jets failed was not giving him good coaching off the rip, and never getting the OL issue corrected. The 2021 draft itself, the front office tried. They picked Alijah Vera-Tucker after him (who has since been plagued by injuries) and brought in Elijah Moore, who is a WR that I think is considerably better than what his career shows. Regardless, Wilson wasn't ready to play as a rookie, and the Jets were across the board terrible. It's cool, I'll say it's a wash.

2022, the Jets have an amazing draft as far as cornerstones, and they start out well because of a championship-caliber defense. With them bringing Garrett and Breece into the fold, expectations increase on Zach, and this is where Zach takes his share of the blame. He showed his immaturity and lost the locker room, as it was clear they were winning in spite of him. It didn't help that the guy who made the offense go -- Breece -- tore his ACL midway through the season.

2023 Zach is what you're looking to see from him in 2021. Flashes. But by now, it's two years too late (really one), he played behind a terrible OL and Nathaniel Hackett was his OC. Nobody wins in that situation. Hell, Aaron Rodgers came in during 2024, had what is objectively a top 5 QB season in Jets history, and they still won less games this year in the previous two years with Zach mainly at the helm.

The Jets have never truly developed a QB into something, and coincidentally enough QBs who have left the Jets go on to actually look like something in competent organizations.
To be fair, his future QB coach dying in that bike accident fukked his future up.

He was SO unsound mechanically when he got to NY. His mechanics were his biggest problem.
 

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I said he will likely be a starter again, I cant predict how many games.

Thats dumb. If he doesnt start, so what? Im supposed to be afraid of being wrong on a messageboard? :dahell:
Because if he starts 3 more games in the nfl due to actual starters injury and never again you would have to admit he was always ass and it wasn’t that the jets “failed him”.

That’s why you don’t want to put a number on it. You know he’s ass but are hiding behind excuses.
 

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Because if he starts 3 more games in the nfl due to actual starters injury and never again you would have to admit he was always ass and it wasn’t that the jets “failed him”.

That’s why you don’t want to put a number on it. You know he’s ass but are hiding behind excuses.

If he fails, so what? I was wrong on a messageboard. Im supposed to be afraid of that?

Geno and Darnold are examples of the Jets failing a qb. To sit there and think its a reach for me to say that….:childplease:
 
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