Zelensky: Americans should not question how much $$$ is being sent to Ukraine

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Uncouth Savage

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Are you and the “American people“ in leauge with one another?
Do you present on one accord with the people you listed?

Those people with nazi and confederate flags aren’t fighting with you in mind.
If these same American people, that shoot you and rape your women everyday are erasing your existence from their history books, funding entire cities on your sons imprisonment and telling the entire world you’re an ungrateful knave- then they aren’t “us” and never will be.

Those Ukrainians support hard right nikka hating republicans, they would spit on Farrakhan, Eric Dyson or any Black person you can name.

So that which hurts them, doesn’t affect you..Same thing with these foolish WW3 stories.

Nobody has ever been able to teach me how to find which human is good vs bad.
It always remains the fact that some folks are good and some are bad.
And impossible to know who is who.

So unless I say all wite people are against blk people and support wite supremacy, then I cannot agree with you.
The question then becomes HOW MANY wite people are evil racists demons.
Vs how many are nice, decent, and loving people who hate nobody.

As there are nazis in Ukraine, Russia, Europe, America
As there are wite people there who are not

I do believe what harms wite people, harms blk people. Many times even worst. We on the same earth.
 

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I can't predict Trump will win but a lot of people are doing the same thing they did in 2016. They live in bubbles and ignore people who don't have their same views. Also - just like in 2016 - we have a lot of secret Trump supporters who just aren't voicing their opinion. Some of them look like us.

Trump will likely have a lot of support going into 2024 if America doesn't get it's shyt together this year. From the looks of it, it's gonna get worse before it gets better.
Trump's bs isn't even landing in his own party. Desantis is the real threat but he's weak against even Biden and is terrified of Trump
 

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No. I would apologize for putting them in harms way. :francis:


Russia has over 200,000 dead and Ukraine has over a 140,000 dead. Nothing light on either side. If it wasn’t for US intelligence and $, Ukraine would be wiped off the map by now.

I’m not against helping Ukraine at all. We should be funding them against Russia, but to what extent and what cost is the question?
The cost of Europe. Putin ain't stopping til he's dead. Unfortunately he's not going to leave so Russia is going to hold a decades long L.
 

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@Piff Perkins if WW3 happened do you think there would be a military draft?
Probably. There's been a draft for every world war. Then again, assuming it essentially boils down to Russia vs NATO, perhaps a draft wouldn't be needed. Russia can't compete with the Ukraine army, imagine how they fare against the US and allies. Nukes also come into play at that point so maybe none of it matters lol. Point being, the best way to avoid that situation is to contain Russia within Ukraine, ensure they lose, and hope Putin dies or gets toppled.
 
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Geopolitics is always a hilarious conversation on this site.

I mean frankly let’s assume in an alternate universe the United States did not interfere with Russia’s invasion.

Do you believe Russia would have simply stopped at Ukraine or continued its quest to reestablish the Soviet Union?

If you assume the former, you’re simply wrong. If you assume the latter, what do you think the implications would for the US? Many of the former Soviet territories and satellite states serve as a land masses between Russia and the US’s western allies.

Additionally, what are the implications as it relates to China? Would inaction by the US embolden China to take more aggressive measures with Taiwan?

How do both of these events impact the global economy? Higher prices on commodities and trade disputes impact people’s daily lives.

Ultimately, the American government doesn’t really care about Ukraine as an entity, it cares about limiting the Russian sphere of influence and revenge for election interference.

I’m not even necessarily taking a side on the topic but I think these topics are rarely evaluated with nuance by a lot of people on this site.

*Patiently awaits “cac” or “c00n” insults*
 
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Then the war stops or devolves into smaller scale fighting and the Western White mans global position is weakened because America (a much more potent threat to Black liberation than Russia) has lost the largest country in Europe.

We have to look at ourselves (Black Africans worldwide) as sovereign. We have interests and goals seperate from our oppressor (Who is the United States)

I’m of age, but we don’t have a draft.
So Russia is a better place for Black Africans? Can you post receipts to prove that?
 

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So Russia is a better place for Black Africans? Can you post receipts to prove that?
So I just told you that the western white mans global position is weakened by a protactred conflict in Ukraine and you’re asking me to show receipts that a country with less than 40k black people is “better”

So instead of thinking as a sovereign, you’re asking me if this daddy is better than the other daddy.

Instead of dapfishing deflection, address what you quoted. The global prospects of Blacks are better without a hegemonic USA and NATO, therefore conflicts of attrition and overspending will weaken the oppressor. This is how the war in Afghanistan broke up the Soviet Union.

Anyone who is caping for Zelensky and the confederate flags but will threaten to kill a man for wearing a Haitian or Jamaican flag is too fargone to understand anyway.
 

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We never have a draft until we have a draft.
I been shooting nikkas mt entire life so the prospect of war doesn’t really bother me, I’ve been under fire more than 80% of war veterans.

Not that it matters because in a ww3 scenario I’m doing…uhhh..other things :mjgrin:
 

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I been shooting nikkas mt entire life so the prospect of war doesn’t really bother me, I’ve been under fire more than 80% of war veterans.

Not that it matters because in a ww3 scenario I’m doing…uhhh..other things :mjgrin:

If it does happen millions of young men gotta go.
Many of those family members to you and I.

I rather it be them than us.
See the "us" again.

WE would all suffer.
 

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If it does happen millions of young men gotta go.
Many of those family members to you and I.

I rather it be them than us.
See the "us" again.

WE would all suffer.
Well with all respect due, god.

If you speak in terms of “we” publicly
But “us” privately.

Then perhaps you are on the correct side and should support Zelensky. I love you as a black man but we would have to meet on the field and do what has to be done. Simple.
 
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