2017-2018 NBA rookie of the year PREDICTIONS (SUMMER) Top 13 + 1

[lutha]

You took what I said out of context from the very beginning. Prior to me even posting in this thread, folk said he'd be a "lock" to win it - that's who I was directing my post towards. The fact that I said he has a realistic shot to win it should tell you that I was aware he'd be in the running. This is what I specifically said -

"Why are dudes so convinced Simmons will be ROY"

Meaning why are people so convinced he'll be ROY that they're willing to call him a lock for it. My post wasn't directed towards those who are predicting he'll win it (I've got him in my top-3), just the ones who're talking about no other player comes close.

And as I already said, "I don't mean "battling for touches" in the sense he's going to be fighting over the ball, or being phased out of the offense. He's the PG after all, he's going to be touching the ball more than anyone else. Don't take that phrase literally, it's just to illustrate other players on his team will need a decent amount of touches too, in order to develop."

What part about that is dumb shyt? If you were unsure of what I was specifically arguing about, perhaps you should've asked me what I meant instead of taking what I said out of context.

that's not true...go back at look at the thread before you posted...the only thing people did was answer the question 'who do you think will roy'....yea, most picked ben while listing a group of players, but no one said he was 'a lock' like you keep implying...you inserted that to try to make a point....

that wasnt the dumb shyt, and i didnt replay to that, that was in your last post...the dumb shyt to me was saying players develop in games only....even went as far as to use the ai quote lol.....

...but like i said: it's whatever, you still cool with me...we just disagree about this....

 

[lutha]

I negged you for wasting my time, because you don't necessarily disagree with what I said, you just took what I said out of context. This entire argument was just a waste of time, that could've be avoided if you read properly and/or cleared up any misunderstanding over my original post by just asking me.

Is it dumb shyt to question something which isn't a "lock"?

the only person that said he was a lock was you though lol.....

...anyway, my bad brotha for wasting your time...

 

[Trapperman Dave]

I didn't expect to see so many votes for Ben Simmons starting out

He been around the game for a year tho. He technically has an edge. I think lonzo or fultz would like to pick frank but Knicks gotta let the mans play or something without distractions

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

that's not true...go back at look at the thread before you posted...the only thing people did was answer the question 'who do you think will roy'....yea, most picked ben while listing a group of players, but no one said he was 'a lock' like you keep implying...you inserted that to try to make a point.....

Ben Simmons let's keep it 100....he has the talent, size, and mindset to fit right into this stat pad era. A couple triple doubles and he's got it locked.

that wasnt the dumb shyt, and i didnt replay to that, that was in your last post...the dumb shyt to me was saying players develop in games only....even went as far as to use the ai quote lol......

Here's the problem with this, like I said above you're getting into semantics here, I simply said -

"all the other players will need their fair share of touches to develop,"

Now, in that exact context, that means I'm talking about development in the actual games - that's the context I'm using development in. I'm not saying you can't use development in the context to say "developing" your skillset in practice. Therefore when I said in the following post "Players don't develop in "practice, workouts, training" - that's mostly prep work for the actual game. Players only develop when they get minutes, where they can get accustomed to the pace, competition, physicality, trends/patterns, environment etc of actual NBA play." - in that exact context of what I meant in the first post it means I'm talking about development in the actual game. In-game development can't be replicated in practice or training, you can only prepare for it.

You tried to use your definition of "development" as a means to counter the context in which I was using the word "development". So you were wrong in trying to say the game isn't a place for a player to develop. When like I said, players only develop when they can get accustomed to the pace, competition, physicality, trends/patterns, environment etc of actual NBA play.

Further context- practice/training is mostly preparation for the actual game, the development is in the game itself.

Just to reiterate - I'm not saying you can NOT use "development" outside the context in which I used it in. If you wanna use development for saying, a player needs to practice/train to develop his skillset, that's fine, but again that's not the context in which I used it in.

Do you understand now?

 

[lutha]

Here's the problem with this, like I said above you're getting into semantics here, I simply said -

"all the other players will need their fair share of touches to develop,"

Now, in that exact context, that means I'm talking about development in the actual games - that's the context I'm using development in. I'm not saying you can't use development in the context to say "developing" your skillset in practice. Therefore when I said in the following post "Players don't develop in "practice, workouts, training" - that's mostly prep work for the actual game. Players only develop when they get minutes, where they can get accustomed to the pace, competition, physicality, trends/patterns, environment etc of actual NBA play." - in that exact context of what I meant in the first post it means players I'm talking about development in the game.

You tried to use your definition of "development" as a means to counter the context in which I was using the word "development". So you were wrong in trying to say the game isn't a place for a player to develop. When like I said, players only develop when they can get accustomed to the pace, competition, physicality, trends/patterns, environment etc of actual NBA play. Development meaning how they develop during the game.

Further context- practice/training is mostly preparation for the actual game, the development is in the game itself.

Just to reiterate - I'm not saying you can NOT use "development" outside the context in which I used it in. If you wanna use development for saying, a player needs to practice/train to develop his skillset, that's fine, but again that's not the context in which I used it in.

Do you understand now?

i stand corrected, didnt see he called him a lock....but 1 person doesnt equal that's what the majority was saying....

mightve been what you meant, but that's not what you said originally....and i was going off what you said....since then, you've gone into further detail about what you meant....and i never said players didnt develop in games, i actually said they did, just that the major strides they develop in their games come outside of games....

...again: we just disagree, it's cool...

 

[Liquid]

I'm about to neg bomb @Gil Scott-Heroin and @lutha

Solve that shyt via PM. Let's just talk Ball

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

i stand corrected, didnt see he called him a lock....but 1 person doesnt equal that's what the majority was saying....

mightve been what you meant, but that's not what you said originally....and i was going off what you said....since then, you've gone into further detail about what you meant....and i never said players didnt develop in games, i actually said they did, just that the major strides they develop in their games come outside of games....

...again: we just disagree, it's cool...

My breh, you're STILL taking what I said out of context. Ah, nevermind.

I'm about to neg bomb @Gil Scott-Heroin and @lutha

Solve that shyt via PM. Let's just talk Ball

My bad. I deserve a neg for derailing your thread.

 

[lutha]

I'm about to neg bomb @Gil Scott-Heroin and @lutha

Solve that shyt via PM. Let's just talk Ball

my bad man lol....just having a friendly back and forth with the brotha, didnt mean to derail...

 

[Ashyneezz]

Fox or Ball since they will have free rein.

Carlisle is going to bring DSJ along slowly.

Usually you'd be right about Carlisle bringing Smith along slowly. He usually has an extremely short leash on young players, especially if they aren't focused defensively. But he's fully accepted the youth movement. Yogi Ferrell an undrafted rookie was playing 30 mins/game at one pt last season, even though we were pretty much out of the playoffs that was a surprise. Plus Smith brings an aspect to our team which no one else has, he can breakdown a defense and get in the lane or be a one man fast break. The way Carlisle was talking about him last night, he's as excited as I've seen him about a young player. Then our only other options at pg are Ferrell, Devin Harris, or JJ Barea

 

[Controversy]

How they about to make the playoffs especially with the emergence of the Twolves now.

If Blake & CP3 leave...Clips will rebuild

If Hayward & Hill leave Utah...they are fighting for 8th seed

Thunder are a 20 game WB injury away from lottery

Grizz may regress this season

 

[Controversy]

Yeah yeah all that's cool but lonzo ain't leading the bum ass lakers to the playoffs in his first season

If Lakers win 35-42, he's ROY

 

[ISO]

again: he's not battling for touches if he's running the show....for the most part, the offense is gonna be running through him, so he's gonna have the ball in his hands the majority of the time, setting up the offense, etc., being the primary option...and that's not battling for touches....and no, i'm not saying people gonna be standing around waiting to be setup by ben, just saying he will initiate a lot of the offense...which adds to his roy case....

Dude is a transition nightmare, he's going to get so many dimes just pushing the ball on the break and he'll get tons of opportunities to do that given his rebounding. He's a generational passer, silly argument honestly.

 

[L&HH]

If Blake & CP3 leave...Clips will rebuild

If Hayward & Hill leave Utah...they are fighting for 8th seed

Thunder are a 20 game WB injury away from lottery

Grizz may regress this season

I can see that. You're forgetting the Denver Nuggets though.

 

[Supreme365]

If Lakers win 35-42, he's ROY

It's not that simple and if Simmons is healthy and is as good as they say I got him as the lock

 

[H.J.Duck]

not that I'll let your opinions affect mine.... but as far as top10 draft picks go, Markkanen seems to be the most hated pick so far.. (obviously because of Jimmy trade).... not sure if I have seen your opinions on him yet but I'd like to hear your thoughts @Malta & @Gil Scott-Heroin ... on Markkanen & him being part of the Bulls Because I don't see another Mirotic/Channing Frye, I see a Porzingis without defensive reach/potential, but with better agility