A QUESTION FOR THE OLD HEADS.....DID ILLMATIC REALLY HAVE AS MUCH OF AN IMPACT AS PEOPLE SAY.....

DID ILLMATIC REALLY HAVE AS MUCH OF AN IMPACT AS PEOPLE SAY?

  • Yes of course you dumb nigguh:childplease: :ahh:

    Votes: 46 57.5%
  • Nah Not really. its a good album but it didnt have a big impact:ehh:

    Votes: 18 22.5%
  • Nikkas copped it off bootleg, thats why it didn't sell as much

    Votes: 4 5.0%
  • nah that shyt garbage, nas lost...

    Votes: 12 15.0%

  • Total voters
    80

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So why would it still get praise to this very day? A lot of albums get hype, flop and are forgotten forever. If illmatic really had zero impact, why would it still to this day be recognized as THE quintessential hip hop album?
Don't listen to that idiot. Illmatic influenced more rappers than any other album, despite it not being commercially successful due to promotion and the fact that it was a debut from a relatively unknown it eventually went Platinum.
 

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Its not. Thats the point, look at this thread. Only old dust heads or NY nikkaz are sayin it had any impact at all. The hype cant go away because the magazines hyped it, its not like they can pull back all the magazines and change em. Dumb nikkaz fell for the hype. For the record the Source also rated that Lil Kim shyt 5 mics... over The Chronic, Doggystyle, MATW, AEOM, and 7DT... is that lil kim shyt really better?

Well firstly, the question was kinda posed to the old dusty heads who were around at the time so you can't really be mad at them for responding.

Second, you gonna seriously tell me that any new potential classic is not compared to illmatic? If so, you are delusional.

Third, I'm pretty sure the lil Kim album didn't get rated in the same issue as the chronic, Doggystyle, MATW, AEOM, or 7 Day Theory. It was review way later by which time the source and their mic rating had already lost all significance.
 

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Well firstly, the question was kinda posed to the old dusty heads who were around at the time so you can't really be mad at them for responding.

Second, you gonna seriously tell me that any new potential classic is not compared to illmatic? If so, you are delusional.

Third, I'm pretty sure the lil Kim album didn't get rated in the same issue as the chronic, Doggystyle, MATW, AEOM, or 7 Day Theory. It was review way later by which time the source and their mic rating had already lost all significance.
The Source rating never had significance is the point. No the thread asks for old heads. Old =/= dust head... most of the nikkaz that was of age around that time, outside of NY are in this thread telling you that the album wasnt shyt. You already know the album didnt sell when other albums were. You know that naS switched his style up on his sophomore album to what other nikkaz were doing, and you know that other nikkaz did not switch their shyt to sound like illmatic. What the fukk other proof do you need to know that illmatic wasnt shyt?
 

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Its not revisionist thats why. You gotta understand the landscape. This was before the EC/WC beef, and the east centric hip hop mags/media were shyttin on everything not from the East. The mags hyped the shyt outta illmatic... then it was a tremendous failure, so much so that naS had to go back and copy the style of shyt that ACTUALLY HAD AN IMPACT. think about that, other nikkaz didnt go back and make illmatic soundin shyt, naS went back and made shyt that sounded like what other people were doing AND THEN HE MOVED UNITS.
Except Cube got 5 and 4.5 with his first two. And the Chronic got 4.5 as well. Now, all three should have been 5s. But that's not shytting on the albums. Remember, EPMDs fourth got 4.5, Infamous, OBFCL and Red's first.
The only real fukk up I can think of was Doggystyle getting 4. Can you post examples of west/Midwest/south universally heralded classics getting 4 or less?
 

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The Source rating never had significance is the point. No the thread asks for old heads. Old =/= dust head... most of the nikkaz that was of age around that time, outside of NY are in this thread telling you that the album wasnt shyt. You already know the album didnt sell when other albums were. You know that naS switched his style up on his sophomore album to what other nikkaz were doing, and you know that other nikkaz did not switch their shyt to sound like illmatic. What the fukk other proof do you need to know that illmatic wasnt shyt?
He switched up his production and slightly altered the subject matter to sell records. You are wrong that other rappers weren't influenced by Illmatic. Common, Ghost and Mobb Deep for example.
 

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Except Cube got 5 and 4.5 with his first two. And the Chronic got 4.5 as well. Now, all three should have been 5s. But that's not shytting on the albums. Remember, EPMDs fourth got 4.5, Infamous, OBFCL and Red's first.
The only real fukk up I can think of was Doggystyle getting 4. Can you post examples of west/Midwest/south universally heralded classics getting 4 or less?
Those EC albums are trash though. EPMD's 4th album? You aint even name the album and it got the same rating as The Chronic? The Infamous? OBFCL? :scusthov:

I fukk with Red though... The EC centric mags/media didnt really fukk with other regions like that. those EC albums are on some regional shyt. If they were from any other region they dont get a rating at all.
 

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The Source rating never had significance is the point. No the thread asks for old heads. Old =/= dust head... most of the nikkaz that was of age around that time, outside of NY are in this thread telling you that the album wasnt shyt. You already know the album didnt sell when other albums were. You know that naS switched his style up on his sophomore album to what other nikkaz were doing, and you know that other nikkaz did not switch their shyt to sound like illmatic. What the fukk other proof do you need to know that illmatic wasnt shyt?
41 nikkas said it did have the impact and that's 67% of the vote :umad:
:umad: cuz your gawds Lupe, Jay and Pac were all Illmatic/Nas stans?
Illmatic inspired 2Pac is his recording of Me Against The World
"While working as a journalist in 1994, Hampton covered three court cases involving Tupac. Around this time, she received an advance-copy of Illmatic and immediately dubbed a cassette version for Tupac, who became "an instant convert" of the album. The next day, she writes, Tupac "arrived in his assigned courtroom blasting Illmatic so loudly that the bailiff yelled at him to turn it off before the judge took his seat on the bench."

Lupe after hearing Illmatic
"So I puts "Illmatic" inside the CD Walkman, strap on the headphones and proceeded to have my life changed forever...it became my soundtrack for a time...all day everyday, everywhere...along with "IWW"

Jay on "A Star is Born"
"I had the Illmatic on bootleg that shyt was so ahead, thought we was all dead"
Jay has sampled several tracks off of Illmatic, and we all know he been on Nas dikk.

Kendrick Lamar talking about Illmatic
Illmatic? For people to even put my album in the light of that, is an accomplishment. It's crazy to even be mentioned with it but it's scary at the same time . . .That era – I wanna say the age range now would be 30, 30 to 40 – they can recognize this was the album. Illmatic’s the album for the ’90s era when I was growing up. . .it's just a weird feeling to be in that same type of light, ‘cus it takes a whole lot of responsibility to keep that up in the long run and longevity, and that's something I don’t have yet…so Illmatic will always be #1.”

Ghostface Killah
"When I used to listen to Nas back in the days, it was like, ‘Oh shyt! He murdered that.’ That forced me to get my pen game up. . .The whole Illmatic album forced you to go ahead and do shyt . . .It was inspiration."

The Game on "Hustlers"
"1995, eleven years from the day! I'm in the record shop with choices to make Illmatic on the top shelf, The Chronic on the left, homie wanna cop both but only got a twenty on me so fukk it, I stole both, spent the twenty on a dub-sack ripped the package ofIllmatic and bumped that for my nikkas it was too complex when Nas rhymed I was the only Compton nikka with a New York State of Mind"

Malice of Clipse
"Illmatic captured the whole New York state of mind for me. It embraced everything I knew New York to be. The album had 10 songs, all of them flawless. Me and my homies got great memories of rolling around listening to that, huslin', smokin', chillin'. That embodied everything that was right with hip-hop. That CD never came out my deck."

Joey BADA$$
"Till I draw enough static in my sonic anatomy, and come out imputed with Blueprints and Illmatic's"
Common
Illmatic's only flaw is that "it's too short" :blessed:
Molded "Be" after Illmatic

Elzhi
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J.Cole
"Nas wrote the bible" (Illmatic)
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Fashawn
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You shyt on The Source's rating yet it wasn't the only publication to give Illmatic great review
Rolling Stone: 4 out of 5
Rolling Stone Album Guide: 5 out of 5
USA Today: 3.5 out of 4
Chicago Tribune: 3.5 out of 4
Pitchfork Media: 10 out of 10
Robert Christgau: A

:camby: with the East Coast bias, albums from other regions like The Chronic, Doggystyle, MATW, Aquemini, The Diary, Amerikkka's Most Wanted all received critical acclaim.

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Those EC albums are trash though. EPMD's 4th album? You aint even name the album and it got the same rating as The Chronic? The Infamous? OBFCL? :scusthov:

I fukk with Red though... The EC centric mags/media didnt really fukk with other regions like that. those EC albums are on some regional shyt. If they were from any other region they dont get a rating at all.
So again - show me the bias. Where are all the universal classics that got less than 4.5? I gave you Doggystyle to start. Can you even name one?
Also - you have a bias against EC music if you can't recognize the greatness of the albums we're talking about.
 

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So again - show me the bias. Where are all the universal classics that got less than 4.5? I gave you Doggystyle to start. Can you even name one?
Also - you have a bias against EC music if you can't recognize the greatness of the albums we're talking about.
The ratings on Creepin on Ah Come Up, E1999 Eternal, and Adrenaline Rush...
 

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i had an official copy of illmatic 2 weeks before it dropped that i got from georges music room so i'm more hiphop than most of you
 
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