Name me 10-20 players in the last 15 years that could:
I'll wait.
At his best I think he could do a lot of what you're asking.
Anthony Davis vs Andre Drummond....which big would you rather build around?
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At his best I think he could do a lot of what you're asking.
Again, why wasn't Jordan eating when he was on a bad team? Jordan didn't get the minutes when he came into the league because he wasn't as good, and even at 25 he's not better than Drummond is at 20You're smoking something if you think Jordan could play for the Pistons and put up the same numbers as him. I'm distancing Drummond from Jordan because they aren't the same player, Drummond is closer to what Varejao was during his best years than he is Jordan.
You really are clueless, last season he was 24th in the league with 1.18 points per possession on the pick and roll, as of last month he was 1.33 points per possession as the roll man. Again, that is with Brandon Jennings as his PG, a PG that does not look to pass unless the shot isn't there for himself. You clearly don't watch this team play, the shyt is painfully obvious, even more so when you say Jennings and Monroe are better. Jordan with Jennings would be an ugly ugly thing.
you don't know what you're talking about breh, just focus on what Drummond can or can't do. I tried to make a comparison production wise and you've totally lost it.
1. Deandre Jordan was playing behind Kaman, Camby, Randolph - has nothing to do with if he was ready to play or not. His per 36 has not changed over his rookie season; he's highly productive with the minutes he gets but his limited offensively.
2. If Jordan played for the pistons, he would probably have the same averages - not sure why you think Deandre couldn't score 10 ppg with Jennings at PG doing the same garbage crap Drummond does.
3. that PnR stat doesn't mean shyt because they rarely run pick n rolls for Drummond (rather where he converts to points).
At his best I think he could do a lot of what you're asking.
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Gil Scott-Heroin
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You and the other fool.
He's not a 20 PPG scorer yet. CP3 doesn't have super powers.
And his per 36 was worse than Drummonds, you sure you want to talk per 36 breh? I mean, cause it totally destroys your argument if you do.
Because he can't even score 10ppg with Chris Paul as his PG while playing 36mpg, since you mentioned per 36 above, Drummond is at 14.3ppg per 36 while Jordan is at 9.5ppg
Explain to me how DeAndre Jordan would get to 13ppg in 32mpg, with Jennings as his PG? Especially since Drummond is a better offensive rebounder and gets an extra bucket that way. He can't score 10ppg with CP3, yet he's supposed to do it on a team with a much more crowded interior, lets not forget the Pistons are one of the worst 3 point shooting teams in the league. Drummond's movement off the ball is damn near like Varejao's was, but you wouldn't know that because the stats you're using don't show how much he moves to find space
Oh, so it doesn't mean anything, even though it places him in elite category even with a shytty PG. So we should take your word on it, not quantifiable stats, even though you're using stats all up and down this thread.
14-16ppg, you know he's better than Jordan breh.
Gil Scott-Heroin
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lol breh I thought you were talking about Wade, which AD is more or less like.At his best I think he could do a lot of what you're asking.
Bosh can do 90% of those things except block LA's jumper like that. Plus, Davis is the better rim protector, but in saying that he's got a LONG, LONG way to go before being mentioned in the same breath as Bosh.
And his per 36 was worse than Drummonds, you sure you want to talk per 36 breh? I mean, cause it totally destroys your argument if you do.
Because he can't even score 10ppg with Chris Paul as his PG while playing 36mpg, since you mentioned per 36 above, Drummond is at 14.3ppg per 36 while Jordan is at 9.5ppg
Oh, so it doesn't mean anything, even though it places him in elite category even with a shytty PG. So we should take your word on it, not quantifiable stats, even though you're using stats all up and down this thread.
1. you're talking about 5 ppg instead of 3 ppg - both have 14 rebounds; are you serious? FG% don't change, meaning Jordan is more efficient and still avgs more blocks per 36. How does that destroy my argument? They are basically the same player statistically, except Drummond who is a worse team has more opportunities to score (and does so with a lower FG%).
2. His role isn't to score, it's to rebound and play defense; exact same role DRummond has. Drummond does get points off offensive rebounds, so I give you that.
3. Drummond doesn't get the ball to score, who cares what his movement off the ball is?? Deandre moves without the ball too - to get in position to rebound, just like Drummond. stop bring up Varejao
The stats you posted aren't in context, you're just isolating points per possession - if get one pick n roll play and conver my ppp will be 2, does that make me the best?
You mad cuz DRummond a 1st round pick is putting up #s similar to a 2nd round pick??
NormanConnors
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i never did say he was a legit 20 guy already and could just go out and get 20 on his own, i said he could average that based off what he does now/would be ten fold playing with a pass first pg.
Gil Scott-Heroin
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Other fool = @DetroitEWarren
Better than Jordan right now? I don't know. They're about the same, there isn't much of a noticeable difference.
It destroys your argument because Drummond's per 36 scoring is better by a decent margin, LMAO @ "lower fg%" as though this dude is shooting 45% from the field or some shyt. One is at 61% and the other is at 65%, 5pts per 36 isn't a big deal to you yet 4% apparently is. Also, he plays with Smith and Monroe, if they weren't around to snatch defensive rebounds, or if it was just Monroe or just Smith he'd be leading the league in rebounds. DeAndre only has to contend with Griffin for rebounds..
Except, he's not as good off the ball with his movement, which is the point cot damn. He can't score 10ppg with a team that has shooters and an elite PG, but will come to a team with no shooters and a crowded frontcourt and suddenly be able to do it?
Yeah, continue to prove you don't watch dudes play, but will talk about them like you do. Drummond moves and cuts off the ball like Varejao did, DeAndre straight up doesn't move off the ball like that. The point is, that is how he is scoring, movement off the ball is a huge reason he gets points. The ability to seal dudes under the rim is something he's just recently started doing as well, but that doesn't matter cause you don't see it
All the things he does goes into why he scores more than & is a better player than Deandre, despite being 5 years younger.Not as mad as you'll be when you see Jahlil Okafor getting sonned by Joel Embiid, you seem to argue for the wrong center all the time breh
It destroys your argument because Drummond's per 36 scoring is better by a decent margin, LMAO @ "lower fg%" as though this dude is shooting 45% from the field or some shyt. One is at 61% and the other is at 65%, 5pts per 36 isn't a big deal to you yet 4% apparently is.
Except, he's not as good off the ball with his movement, which is the point cot damn. He can't score 10ppg with a team that has shooters and an elite PG, but will come to a team with no shooters and a crowded frontcourt and suddenly be able to do it?
Yeah, continue to prove you don't watch dudes play, but will talk about them like you do. Drummond moves and cuts off the ball like Varejao did, DeAndre straight up doesn't move off the ball like that. The point is, that is how he is scoring, movement off the ball is a huge reason he gets points. The ability to seal dudes under the rim is something he's just recently started doing as well, but that doesn't matter cause you don't see it
Not as mad as you'll be when you see Jahlil Okafor getting sonned by Joel Embiid, you seem to argue for the wrong center all the time breh
1. Malta you're trolling now. Shyt you're posting doesn't make sense and now you're saying shyt I said or implied that I didn't. I never said the FG% was a big deal...I stated that they are basically the same statistically taking in account more shots/points by Drummond and better efficiency by Jordan.
2. Jordan is the 5th option by a large margin - he's not expected or asked to score. Regardless if that's his game or not, those 3-5 ppg DRummond has over him doesn't mean he will leap frog to 20 ppg if he came over to the Clippers. If he was on the Clips he'd probably be at 11-12, no way he scores more than Paul or Griffin cmon breh.
3. You're talking out your ass...you talking about movements and shyt. He doesn't put the ball in the the round thing enough to justify me even debating you over how he moves.
4. See you in 5 years when DRummond will be 14 and 12 like he is now.
I didn't see the #'s you posted though
what I did see that if you look at the PPP Jordan and Drummond are neck to neck, except.....
in post moves which Jordan double the PPP fro Drummond,
what's even more interesting is that DRummond only has 37 "post moves" and 34 p n r opportunities so far this year...smh
I mean everything I'm seeing dispproves what you're saying, but I'm sure you'll spin it.