Anthony Davis vs Andre Drummond....which big would you rather build around?

[7oclock]

I'm just saying there are more players in the Davis mold than drummond. There are a handful of legit C in league. Other than dwight, none can be dominate. There are a dozen or more good pf with similar skill sets to davis. Not exactly the same player but bosh, aldridge, west, love, randolph, monroe, lee, and a few more all can play on davis level. Other than dwight Hibbert Lopez cousins maybe Noah. drummond will dominate most nights and no one can stop him when he realizes that

has he been dominating now?

 

[Malta]

I don't think you can say the same for Drummond

That write up is from 2008, after he had already been in the league 3 years

Here's what was actually said about him prior to the draft -

VITALS: 7-0, 285, St. Joseph’s HS (Metuchen, New Jersey)

OVERVIEW: Bynum averaged 22 points, 16 rebounds and five blocks as a senior. In the McDonald’s High School All-American Game, the 17-year-old tallied nine points and five rebounds in 11 minutes. Bynum originally committed to Connecticut before entering the NBA draft.


LIKELY DRAFT POSITION: Bynum says he is confident about being a lottery pick, and it’s hard to imagine he would stay in the draft if he didn’t have an idea he would go at least in the top 20. New York, picking eighth, is a team that obviously needs a center, but Isiah Thomas might not be able to wait for Bynum to develop into an NBA player.

COMPARATIVE UPSIDE: Brendan Haywood

COMPARATIVE DOWNSIDE: Michael Olowokandi

ROLE PROJECTION: Backup center.

POSITIVES: Bynum has a soft touch around the basket and can even step out to about 14 feet and hit jump shots. He has lost a lot of weight over the past year and is getting closer to the type of condition he needs to be in. He is one of the very few players to come into the draft in recent years with legitimate center height and weight. He has some agility for a man his size, but this too must improve.

SHORTCOMINGS: Although Bynum blocked some shots in high school, he doesn’t appear to have the quickness to drop off his man and challenge drivers to the basket. Conditioning work at the NBA level takes a serious, long-lasting commitment, and he will have to prove that he will do what it takes to remain in condition to play.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=2179283

Bynum had no post game, saying he did is revisionist history, Kareem worked with him 1 on 1 just like Sheed is doing with Drummond. He has the tools to develop into a very good offensive player, great hands, soft touch around the rim and good coordination.

 

[Houston911]

That write up is from 2008, after he had already been in the league 3 years

Here's what was actually said about him prior to the draft -


http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=2179283

Bynum had no post game, saying he did is revisionist history, Kareem worked with him 1 on 1 just like Sheed is doing with Drummond. He has the tools to develop into a very good offensive player, great hands, soft touch around the rim and good coordination.

Bruh

Why are you having a serious convo with a troll?

 

[djthegreat88]

has he been dominating now?

Last 3 games, yeah he's been dominate. And he's only going to get better. Finally building chemistry with jennings

 

[Guess Who]

Chris Bosh is a bad example, you must not know I'm a big fan of the ACC - I watched Bosh, he always had polished moves inside with both hands. The use to post him up in college because that Australian white guy they had on the team was a scrub at the time. Did he learn some additional moves, yes...but that's called progression from your base. Did he redevelop/redefine his game...no his game was always a finesse game accented by great touch and shooting.

Drummond has touch? Yet, does not have any offensive post skills to speak of???? He continues to score on put backs and alley oops, Michael Jordan played SG and thought Corey Benjamin was gonna be a good basketball player. Just because you played a position doesn't mean you're a good evaluator of talent. With that said, I an respect your comparison with HOward and I will restate that big men are less likely to develop additional skillsets unlike their wing/guard counterparts.

Drummond may end up doing everything everyone in this thread says he'll do, history isn't on his side though and neither are the skills he's shown IMO. He''ll be solid, I doubt he'll eclipse Greg Monroe offensively.

As for Chris Bosh. I watched him at Georgia Tech too...and 95% of the games he played as a Toronto Raptor. He was a much more developed player in year four in the NBA than he was at Georgia Tech. But I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on that one. LOL@the Luke Schenscher reference, though. I might dap your post for that shyt, haha.

The ability to finish around the rim, regardless of how one gets the ball, is a skill, a very important skill for big men, that Drummond has. I'm not sure why you're trying to take this away from him? He gets the ball in a position to score and does what most big men in the league can't do--he actually scores the ball and does it very well. LOL. This IS a skill. And it displays his agility and touch.

As for talent evaluation--I am very confident that I'm one of the best talent evaluators on this site. I was flabbergasted that Drummond fell so far in the draft, because I had dude in my top 5, and when he's an all-star two years from now, averaging 18 and 14 a game, while being a great presence on defence, we'll see why.

 

[Malta]

Bruh

Why are you having a serious convo with a troll?

I didn't realize dude has turned into a troll, remember him from being a decent poster.

 

[Guess Who]

Chris Bosh is a bad example, you must not know I'm a big fan of the ACC - I watched Bosh, he always had polished moves inside with both hands. The use to post him up in college because that Australian white guy they had on the team was a scrub at the time. Did he learn some additional moves, yes...but that's called progression from your base. Did he redevelop/redefine his game...no his game was always a finesse game accented by great touch and shooting.

Drummond has touch? Yet, does not have any offensive post skills to speak of???? He continues to score on put backs and alley oops, Michael Jordan played SG and thought Corey Benjamin was gonna be a good basketball player. Just because you played a position doesn't mean you're a good evaluator of talent. With that said, I an respect your comparison with HOward and I will restate that big men are less likely to develop additional skillsets unlike their wing/guard counterparts.

Drummond may end up doing everything everyone in this thread says he'll do, history isn't on his side though and neither are the skills he's shown IMO. He''ll be solid, I doubt he'll eclipse Greg Monroe offensively.

I will also post you up ALL DAY on the court son!

 

[7oclock]

That write up is from 2008, after he had already been in the league 3 years

Here's what was actually said about him prior to the draft -


http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=2179283

Bynum had no post game, saying he did is revisionist history, Kareem worked with him 1 on 1 just like Sheed is doing with Drummond. He has the tools to develop into a very good offensive player, great hands, soft touch around the rim and good coordination.

dude he was a highschool player coming out of college - you think one summer with Kareem and he magically learned to play in the post. Nothing in the writeup you posted says anything about not having a post game and in fact talks about his soft touch around the basket. Drummond doesn't have that...also I think draftexpress > yahoo sports - are you serious? I did pull something from a 2008 article but on the same page is a 2005 article which states

Then it's Bynum's turn. He shoots from the right elbow, about free-throw distance, and he's off. A miss, another miss. He's 2-for-10. His head bows a little as the players switch spots. Bynum's turn comes again and he's just 4-of-12 from straight ahead at the free throw line. But the form is good, it just doesn't fall. The players scoot over again and when Bynum shoots -- this time from the left elbow -- he's got the range and he hits 7 or 8 in a row. Then he repeats the feat from the left lower block. Turns out, the kid has "a spot."

Once the shooting drills end, Dixon moves to Bynum's bread-and-butter, and the players post Dixon up. Bynum shows off a nice drop step to the left, a head fake that gets Dixon airborne and more dunks. The kid dribbles with either hand and even crosses over once. It's impossible to tell if any of this impresses the scouts, who show only scowls from my vantage point.


From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com#ixzz2mlEI93Go
http://www.draftexpress.com

of course you didn't read it or chose to ignore it. I'm not going to sit here and lie and say I watched Bynum in HS but I know he was said to have a solid post game and footwork, size and mobility, which is why he was able to get drafted out of HS - again it's progression from a base.

here is the writeup for Drummund

When he did receive the ball with his back to the basket, Drummond was generally ineffective in post-up situations, converting just 22 of his 68 (32%) field goal attempts this season according to Synergy Sports Technology.

Besides not knowing how to establish deep post-position, his footwork, countermoves and off-hand lack significant polish, while his jump-hook is not a consistent weapon at all yet, as he appears to possess just average touch. Drummond has an odd habit of trying to shoot an odd two-handed turn-around jumper instead of a traditional hook, which is easily blockable due to its very low release point.

From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com#ixzz2mlDoDTjr
http://www.draftexpress.com

it would be an odd progression from the base described here - from blundering post game to elite post player offensively. Not that it couldn't happen but it's highly doubtful.

 

[7oclock]

I will also post you up ALL DAY on the court son!

lol! You won't shoot over 50% against me and you will fight to get the ball in a position you like.

 

[AlbertPullhoez]

As a charter member of the Unibrow fan club I gotta ride with Anthony Davis. But Andre Drummond is scary good. On some real shyt if the Pacers swapped him and Hibbert they wouldnt miss a beat. They'd probably be even better

 

[7oclock]

As for Chris Bosh. I watched him at Georgia Tech too...and 95% of the games he played as a Toronto Raptor. He was a much more developed player in year four in the NBA than he was at Georgia Tech. But I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on that one. LOL@the Luke Schenscher reference, though. I might dap your post for that shyt, haha.

The ability to finish around the rim, regardless of how one gets the ball, is a skill, a very important skill for big men, that Drummond has. I'm not sure why you're trying to take this away from him? He gets the ball in a position to score and does what most big men in the league can't do--he actually scores the ball and does it very well. LOL. This IS a skill. And it displays his agility and touch.

As for talent evaluation--I am very confident that I'm one of the best talent evaluators on this site. I was flabbergasted that Drummond fell so far in the draft, because I had dude in my top 5, and when he's an all-star two years from now, averaging 18 and 14 a game, while being a great presence on defence, we'll see why.

don't get me wrong.

This is what I'm saying.

Usually when a player is in highschool/college they have started to get a base skillset, you have your strengths and weaknesses - throughtout the NBA you have a natural progression to shore up weaknesses and improve strengths.


Bosh's post game was evident at GTECH - and natural progression, maturity, and offseason work has him where he is now

Drummond did not have the same base post game - so for him to all of a sudden get a post game, an elite/effective one at that would be a very weird progression. Again, not saying it cannot happen but he would be like him shooting 30% and then all of a sudden shooting 90% from FTs. If you're a poor FT shooter in college/hs more than likely you will only be an average FT shooter in the NBA - that's not a 100% rule but at least 95% of the time. And shooting is a lot easier than post game, because at least if you form and consistency you can increase averages. Post game requires a few additional skillsets - and I don't see Drummond possessing the necessary ones.

Not sure if I'm making my point clearer.

I disagree about getting the ball in a position to score and touch. I do think he's agile but I also see him scoring on lobs, put backs, and general drive dish dunks (my 3Ds). The advanced shooting stats for this year aren't available yet but last year , he shot less than 30% when he wasn't dunking the ball ( that includes 30% on anything between 3ft and 5ft). That does not bode well for a supposed post player.

 

[7oclock]

this debate is good, had me looking at some article of Drummond and seeing he's worked with Olajuwon and Rasheed has him working in the post and on his jumper...

if he does get a simple post game , there' s no reason why he can't 8 more points per game to has average....

 

[Guess Who]

lol! You won't shoot over 50% against me and you will fight to get the ball in a position you like.

LOL, my superior agility, footwork, and usage of leverage and positioning will allow me to get the ball wherever I like. Then my array of fakes, counters, short jumpers, spins, up-and-unders, and slick drop-steps will mesmerize and confound you--you won't know what's coming and when!!

And then after I beat you I'd dap you up and say good game to your face, in the name of sportsmanship, while thinking in my head "damn this nikka garbage "

 

[Guess Who]

don't get me wrong.

This is what I'm saying.

Usually when a player is in highschool/college they have started to get a base skillset, you have your strengths and weaknesses - throughtout the NBA you have a natural progression to shore up weaknesses and improve strengths.


Bosh's post game was evident at GTECH - and natural progression, maturity, and offseason work has him where he is now

Drummond did not have the same base post game - so for him to all of a sudden get a post game, an elite/effective one at that would be a very weird progression. Again, not saying it cannot happen but he would be like him shooting 30% and then all of a sudden shooting 90% from FTs. If you're a poor FT shooter in college/hs more than likely you will only be an average FT shooter in the NBA - that's not a 100% rule but at least 95% of the time. And shooting is a lot easier than post game, because at least if you form and consistency you can increase averages. Post game requires a few additional skillsets - and I don't see Drummond possessing the necessary ones.

Not sure if I'm making my point clearer.

I disagree about getting the ball in a position to score and touch. I do think he's agile but I also see him scoring on lobs, put backs, and general drive dish dunks (my 3Ds). The advanced shooting stats for this year aren't available yet but last year , he shot less than 30% when he wasn't dunking the ball ( that includes 30% on anything between 3ft and 5ft). That does not bode well for a supposed post player.

I see your point. I just disagree with it in Drummond's case, based on what I see with my eyes. Then again, I may be wrong. Time will tell.

 

[7oclock]

LOL, my superior agility, footwork, and usage of leverage and positioning will allow me to get the ball wherever I like. Then my array of fakes, counters, short jumpers, spins, up-and-unders, and slick drop-steps will mesmerize and confound you--you won't know what's coming and when!!

And then after I beat you I'd dap you up and say good game to your face, in the name of sportsmanship, while thinking in my head "damn this nikka garbage "

what are we playing 1 on 1 or 5 on 5? Sounds like you're playing 1 on 1, if you're checking in at the top of the key, there's no way you're going to back me down 11 straight times and scoring. You probably are not even in shape, you'll be gassed on point 3 or 4.

The way you talk shyt, I can tell you're the type that likes to back down with leverage, I will use that leverage against you and pull the forearm trick (put the forearm in your back with pressre, let you feel the forearm pressure while you bakc down and when you back down hard, pull the forearm away and watch you stubmle) and call you for a few travels; plus I know you have sloppy high handles probably carry the ball when you back down too - so i'll knock the ball out and make you start over at the top of the key.

Once you're tired of the defense I put on you, i'll use simple dribble moves to get to spots on the perimeter where either I hit shots or if I miss I have the opportunity to out hustle you for rebounds and easy put backs.