Best Produced Hip Hop Album - 1997

[mobbinfms]

Illmatic didn't go gold until the top of 1996. It was far more of a critical success than a commercial one. Out of the major albums that were acclaimed during that time, it didn't do as well.

Yeah it was a slow burn.

 

[mobbinfms]

Not saying that nobody was on Mystic Stylez when it dropped, but there's a lot of badwagon fans now that became fans when Juicy J's solo career took off. They looked at his longevity, saw magazine write ups of how he was able to stay relevant due to the current production styles sounding like what he did decades ago as a member of 3-6. So a lot of them went back through 3-6's catalog and latched onto Mystic Stylez as if to say they were fans from day one.

It was a regional album released on an indie label. That means it didn't have videos played on Rap City or Yo. It wasn't getting radio play outside of the South. No promotion in magazines. So unless you were in the South or had family that put you on to that scene, you didn't know that album existed.

All of this applies to Cash Money before Ha as well.

 

[Edub]

Illmatic didn't go gold until the top of 1996. It was far more of a critical success than a commercial one. Out of the major albums that were acclaimed during that time, it didn't do as well.

Goin gold within 24 mos of release was considered highly successful.....especially for an artists debut album. And especially in the mid 90's. Add to that death row and ruthless were the only labels doin real numbers at the time (add in hammer if u want)......NY really didn't gain that type of commercial clout til big hit after the big poppa single. So Nas goin gold off that album with no wave in 24 mos was a huge commercial success. But I do agree the critics helped it as much also.

 

[AlbertPullhoez]

Tear Da Club Up>Triumph easily

 

[Tribal Outkast]

Out of that list I’d pick Uptown Saturday Night

 

[mobbinfms]

Tear Da Club Up>Triumph easily

I disagree strongly of course, but at least you're not saying every beat on the album is better than Truimph :prodigylol:

 

[AlbertPullhoez]

I disagree strongly of course, but at least you're not saying every beat on the album is better than Truimph :prodigylol:

I mean I won't troll or be disrespectful

I fukks with Rza

 

[JustCKing]

Goin gold within 24 mos of release was considered highly successful.....especially for an artists debut album. And especially in the mid 90's. Add to that death row and ruthless were the only labels doin real numbers at the time (add in hammer if u want)......NY really didn't gain that type of commercial clout til big hit after the big poppa single. So Nas goin gold off that album with no wave in 24 mos was a huge commercial success. But I do agree the critics helped it as much also.

There were albums that came out in 1994 that went platinum in less than a year:

OutKast- Southernplayalistic

Da Brat- Funkdafied

Warren G- Regulate... G Funk Era

Scarface- The Diary

 

[mobbinfms]

Goin gold within 24 mos of release was considered highly successful.....especially for an artists debut album. And especially in the mid 90's. Add to that death row and ruthless were the only labels doin real numbers at the time (add in hammer if u want)......NY really didn't gain that type of commercial clout til big hit after the big poppa single. So Nas goin gold off that album with no wave in 24 mos was a huge commercial success. But I do agree the critics helped it as much also.

I wouldn't call it highly successful, but it wasn't a flop.

 

[Edub]

I wouldn't call it highly successful, but it wasn't a flop.

For the initial investment and the likely prospected units moved illmatic had to be considered highly successful......gold had to be considered the bar at the time. Nas had no anticipation except for critically and regionally......most of his buz came from MC Search Large Prof. Pete and premier......ny producers who had ny publication connects. I don't see how they wouldn't consider gold in 24 mos a huge success. How many ny mc's came out and only stayed regional......forever, too many to count. Nas was nice but that was a dice roll.

 

[3rd Ward Swangin]

 

[Edub]

There were albums that came out in 1994 that went platinum in less than a year:

OutKast- Southernplayalistic

Da Brat- Funkdafied

Warren G- Regulate... G Funk Era

Scarface- The Diary

None from the ny region......scarface was after ghetto boys so he was def. anticipated plus had south Midwest and west coast listeners....warren g was off the back of snoop n Dre. Da brat at the time was a female child novelty off the backs of Kriss Kross who were extremely popular(she also used the west coast sound).....and Outkast individually were just special in their own right but still refreshing from another region. Still none from NY and only four out of the entire year.



Nas had none of these anecdotes to aid his popularity. He was in the most saturated region from where listeners had grown the most tired of musically at the time.

 

[JustCKing]

None from the ny region......scarface was after ghetto boys so he was def. anticipated plus had south Midwest and west coast listeners....warren g was off the back of snoop n Dre. Da brat at the time was a female child novelty off the backs of Kriss Kross who were extremely popular(she also used the west coast sound).....and Outkast individually were just special in their own right but still refreshing from another region. Still none from NY and only four out of the entire year.



Nas had none of these anecdotes to aid his popularity. He was in the most saturated region from where listeners had grown the most tired of musically at the time.

Nas had a head start on all of them. He had the acclaim and the anticipation. His sales just didn't reflect that in '94. A huge part of the reason Stoute even wanted to manage Nas is because the sales didn't measure up to Nas's commercial potential.

Warren established his own thing independent of Snoop and Dre.

Before Brat, no female was doing numbers like that. She was a gamble.

Face had a fan base via Geto Boys and solo albums before droppin Diary, but Diary was his first time going platinum.

Kast was debuting and really didn't have anything notable prior to their debut besides the lead single.

 

[BuddahMAC]

My favorite produced album from 97 is Silent Weapons For Quiet Wars. It's gets overlooked b/c only 1/3 of the rhymes are good but beatwise it's a classic.

 

[Edub]

Nas had a head start on all of them. He had the acclaim and the anticipation. His sales just didn't reflect that in '94. A huge part of the reason Stoute even wanted to manage Nas is because the sales didn't measure up to Nas's commercial potential.

Warren established his own thing independent of Snoop and Dre.

Before Brat, no female was doing numbers like that. She was a gamble.

Face had a fan base via Geto Boys and solo albums before droppin Diary, but Diary was his first time going platinum.

Kast was debuting and really didn't have anything notable prior to their debut besides the lead single.

Back to the Grill wit mc search and Chubb rock is what you considering a head start. Stop it slime. He had no acclaim or anticipation except for that which mc search had created....cut the bullshyt


Warren G established his own thing independent of snoop and Dre.....once again fukk outta here. Check them interviews back then and how often them two name dropped warren g.....especially snoop due to the LBC affiliation....he Dre half breh nikka


Da brat was featured wit Kriss Kross on da bomb.....she did numbers because dupri dressed her like a west coast d row member (like a lil rage) and had her over west coast sounding beats.......she was a gamble but her introduction was marketed and well thought out.



Face already had an established listening market.

Kast is the only group that popped relatively outta nowhere.....and even they had laface(la Reid) pushin them.....professionals who'd dealt wit tony Braxton and TLC....etc.



Nas was a real question mark piggy backing off of nothing. Cut it out breh.