It's all good breh....
Best Produced Hip Hop Album - 1997
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We all know not everybody affiliated with Doggystyle and Chronic blew up especially not in the way Warren did. Yeah, he was featured and name dropped, but that doesn't necessarily translate into 3X platinum. Like I said, he had his own thing going. 213 ain't do an album until years later. To add to that "Regulators" with Nate wasn't his only huge single from that album. He also had "This DJ". Warren's brand of G Funk was still distinct from what Dre was doing.
To touch on the Dre/Snoop affiliation and the ATR soundtrack, Rage was on all three. The end result: SHELVED. Even with "Afro Puffs". So those factors didn't necessarily mean your album was getting copped regardless.
Breh Nas got five mics AFTER the album was ready for release to certain journalists......it was maybe a few weeks to a few months before its actual release that the review was penned....and by the time that edition of the source came out the album had already hit store shelves.....meaning the review really didn't precede the album, providing no anticipation. Premo Pete rock and large prof. were searching for what to do next because ny's drought spanned between late 89/early 90 til late 1993 (wu tang 36C), tribe was relatively successful with low end theory and native toungues and cl and Pete rock had reminisce in 92 but that wasn't anything compared to NWA Ice Cube snoop the chronic the doc the dog pound .....even spice1 mc eight and dj quik were having more success than most ny artists,(shyt even coolio was more poppin than ya average ny breh at that time).....so those producers you naming had success but were not ringing bells enough to make Nas highly anticipated during the gangsta rap/g funk era 1991-mid 1993....that popularity is what prompted common to make I used to lover her......cuz that's all that was poppin at the time. Also halftime was on that soundtrack but nobody knew
Da brat was as close to an industry plant as it could get for that era. JD's whole scheme was child hip hop artists.....Kris's Kross, da brat and a lil later bow wow.....but the brat was just old enough to do the g funk sound and lyrical content and it worked. Her platinum standing is a direct attitribute to the gfunk, facts.
And to say warren g had his own thing goin is comedy.....Dre and snoop absorbed him because he was affiliated wit them from the jump. I think he was in session help producing on the chronic and doggystyle......regulators was on his first album and the hit single to the ATR soundtrack, that single and his album went hand and hand.....warren g nate dog and snoop were to from 213 LBC crew or some shyt like that.....so to say warren was doin him on his own is just false fam.
Exactly.....snoop and Dre made it a priority to plug warren g.....to act as tho he was somewhere creating his own buzz nationally before this is ridiculous.
Nas's buzz wasn't just the 5 mic review. He built like 2-3 years worth of buzz off "Live At The BBQ" and "Halftime". An album doesn't get heavily bootlegged without there being buzz. Illmatic was still slept on though. It's a legacy type of album whose legend grew as time went on. That within itself is a success and speaks volumes for how that album aged. It isn't a success of the magnitude that you're making it out to be though. On the other hand, it wasn't a success out the gate for whatever reason. Yeah, the mainstream leaned more toward the West, it still doesn't mean that Illmatic was a commercial success in 1994.
Brat was as much a plant as an MC who appeared in The Source's unsigned hype column (many of them went on to become some of the biggest, if not biggest Hip Hop stars afterwards). JD didn't have real credibility until maybe Da Brat and it was still shakey after that. He even acknowledges that himself.
Warren G did do his own thing. Dre and Snoop weren't all over his album. He did his production. 213 ain't drop an official album until years later. You're making it seem like Dogg Pound, Snoop, Dre, and Dre production were all over the album.
Snoop and Dre plugging an artist didn't exactly do wonders for Rage.
Life After Death is just flawless..
But don't sleep on DJ Uneek alot of various sounding beats on that Art Of War
But don't sleep on DJ Uneek alot of various sounding beats on that Art Of War
prophecypro
Hollywood North
Wu Tang Forever was the blueprint for Kanye and Just Blaze imo
Nikka that buzz was local at best....that album was being bootlegged IN NYC....regionally only. Live at the BBQ and halftime didn't have labels expecting Nas to go gold or plat. You acting like Nas had all this nationwide hype and anticipation before he dropped and that bs...I was there. And first you were claiming the review set it off and set the tone now it's the UNDERGROUND SINGLES HE DROPPED.....nah.
Da brat being in unsigned hype doesn't negate she wasn't a contrived plant through so so def. Her style and sound shifted throughout her career....that's what plants do. When she first dropped she was snoop light....then after big blew she and dupri became big and Diddy bad boy light......then she ventured into the missy Elliot lane a bit later after lady's night.
213 didn't begin when they dropped that album in 04' .....it's not about when the album came out....it's about when did warren g and snoop connect, and that was way before warren g dropped anything. Warren g told Dre about snoop..... You can't rewrite history this shyt is facts. Snoop and Dre helped build anticipation for Warren, warren would tell you that himself. And he regulate song threw that album into the stratosphere. Like @mobbinfms said....he was featured on doggystyle and had mad shout outs.....how does that not help anticipation.......
You responding just to respond at this point. But history can't be changed.
Warren and Dogg Pound did.
RBX and Lil Half Dead not so much. Then again, Lil Half Dead got a record deal just b/c Snoop name dropped him. I don't think he was even on Doggystyle or the Chronic.
And RBX left Death Row.
I'm not even sure what the dispute is at this point, you already acknowledged that Warren G had a leg up on Nas.
An album can't get copped if its shelved.
And Rage did drop an album on Death Row, but it was in 97 after the magic was gone. Just look at how Warren's album was received in 97. The West was dead.
If she would have dropped on Death Row in 95
I don't think industry plant applies to anyone in the 90s.
And industry plant is someone who was signed to a label and the label clandestinely pushes them as an independent rapper with a grassroots following.
Most of this is true. Dre appeared in a video. I think Snoop may have as well...I know he rapped about Snoop on this DJ.
Dre left DR in 96 and Rage didn't drop until the following year.
And like I said, in 97 the West was dead.
Latifah went gold though.
Good point about Pop, but I was getting at rap demographics.
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Beefin
wu tang forever was ahead of its time - thats why it still sounds amazing to this day 
Nas had hype and I can't really buy the regional talk becaise posters have been clowned for saying they didn't know about Illmatic until later. Columbia pumped money into that album more so than a lot of albums that had big hits. Several songs fron the album had videos. He had hype before the album. It doesn't have to be Doggystyle hype, but people have claimed Illmatic to be one of the most anticipated Hip Hop albums ever.
Brat wasn't a plant and she never ventured into Missy Elliott territory to where she wrote for others, sang, rapped, and produced. Never went into Biggie territory either. She only collaborated with him and Bad Boy artists Total. JD was the one who changed his sound that duplicated Bad Boy, but he didn't force that on Brat. Saying this is a rewrite.
213 started when Warren G, Snoop, and Nate were in high school, but as an actual group, it wasn't really official until they put the album out. It was spoken of and talked about and they did some songs together, but it wasn't like you were seeing featuring 213 on songs or anything like that promoting them as a group. Helping Warren build a buzz does not mean that he didn't work independent of Snoop and Dre to create his own sound. It wasn't like he was trying to piggyback off those connects because it can also work against an artist.
Nobody's rewriting history. If anything you are by trying to push the narrative that Illmatic was some mega success even after it took nearly two years to go gold AFTER "Halftime", "It Ain't Hard To Tell", "The World Is Yours", and " One Love" all got videos. There's a reason Nas took a more commercial approach with IWW.