One team is adamant he doesn't need surgery, the team that traded for him isn't able to find out the extent of his injuries until they have their own team doctor look at him. That is the reason the voiding process exists.
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One team is adamant he doesn't need surgery, the team that traded for him isn't able to find out the extent of his injuries until they have their own team doctor look at him. That is the reason the voiding process exists.
Dwight Howard
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IM simply responding to your theory that the Cavs didnt know about the condition. They knew about the condition and the risk associated it with it. They also had to have known of the possibility of surgery cause its been discussed as a possibility for months now. I understand doctors have differing opinions, but it doesnt seem like anything has changed with his condition, and reports as well as IT said his health was improving. I mean the Cavs probably have his x-ray's, doctors opinion and all that shyt..and STILL decided to trade for him. This is on them.So, please explain how they would know the severity of his injury without getting a look at it themselves.
There is no goalpost moving, and you expect a team to make multi-million dollar decisions based on a google search?The process of voiding a trade exists for a reason, you're trying to play it off as though the Cavs simply wanting more out of the blue and not because they got a look at Thomas up close.
One team says "He doesn't need surgery" and the other thinks he might, we have an impasse and wants more because of it.
Dwight Howard
Superstar
Each team is required to disclose in writing all medical information held by the team that might in any way relate to the relevant players' abilities to play basketball. (Yes, HIPAA lawyers, the players have validly consented to this.) Each team then scrutinizes this information, usually before agreeing to the deal. In addition to reading written descriptions of players' conditions, team doctors often examine MRIs, X-rays, EKGs, or other test results as part of this step.
One team is adamant he doesn't need surgery, the team that traded for him isn't able to find out the extent of his injuries until they have their own team doctor look at him. That is the reason the voiding process exists.
They literally had all the pertinent information that a doctor may use to make a determination. and the team still agreed...its on them. Look theyre free to move away from the deal, but whats better?
You don't know until your team doctor checks out the player for themselves, why is this difficult to get?
Thomas is in a contract year, he's going to say anything to insure that he gets that bag. Also, your final point doesn't even make sense, the Cavs traded for him then after his physical this is when all the trouble popped up. You're acting like teams haven't traded damaged goods before, the Sixers recently had to pay the Pelicans $3 million for not being completely upfront about Jrue Holidays terry cloth shins.
Dwight Howard
Superstar
thats just flat out imcompetence on both sides. regardless, it would have been made public if the Celtics were hiding info at this point, and every report says the Cavs knew the extent of his injury. the Cavs havent even suggested there was disclosure issues, so dont jump the gun here.
So, it's incompetence on both sides, yet you're faulting the Cavs for doing their due diligence here?
You've also been framing your argument like NBA front offices are above lying about trading injured players
We have a front office that has said Thomas doesn't need surgery, and the team trading for him got him to do a physical and determined he might need it. Like I said, you toss logic when it comes to ole Malta.
Dwight Howard
Superstar
Im faulting the cavs because they knew the extent of IT"s injury and knew surgery was a possibility...that ALONE should have given them pause, and I believe it did which is why they got Crowder and the Nets Pick. If believe if they thought IT's hip wasnt an issue, they would not have even sniffed the NETS pick. I feel like they just got cold feet or trying to finesse the systemSo, it's incompetence on both sides, yet you're faulting the Cavs for doing their due diligence here?
You've also been framing your argument like NBA front offices are above lying about trading injured players
and lying is possible, but Ainge is too savvy to pull some bullshyt like that. you lose leverage forever as a front office, fines, and draft picks. its a poor move
No, they obviously didn't know the extent, because all of this happened literally right after he did a physical
Most people thought the Cavs did well in the trade, until it turns out Thomas could miss some of the season.
Dwight Howard
Superstar
my point is they made a calculated risk and now trying to gather more assets out of it, probably thinking they could force Boston add players because they would be reluctant to rescind the deal and have unhappy players on the roster...its a possibility and probably a certainty the doctor ran more test and stuff..but its not like they just discovered this condition and risk like people were saying. its like when the sixers traded for bynum, they knew damn well what they were getting into..
Dwight Howard
Superstar
No, they obviously didn't know the extent, because all of this happened literally right after he did a physical
Most people thought the Cavs did well in the trade, until it turns out Thomas could miss some of the season.
They were transparent about it. now ask yourself, why would a team make this trade with the very real possibility of the best player involved needing surgery?
VegetasHairline
Veteran
Good god you're delusional. Take the clover leaf colored glasses off you fukking homer. Boston ain't starting no damn dynasty.
Kang Deezy
Overall Nice Guy
Malta is so salty I love it