Boston adds 2nd round pick to finalize the Kyrie Irving trade
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Smart has guarded Millsap. That's the only 4 he's done well against. Bradley was their best defender and Smart is a liability on the other end of the floor being one of the worst shooters in the league. Hayward is nowhere near the defensive player Crowder is. Morris isn't consistent from 3 either. Kyrie is best in iso situations and isn't exactly willing passer and Hayward isn't some generational offensive threat.
daboywonder2002
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Decent article on the trade http://www.celticshub.com/2017/08/23/kyrie-irving-trade-seems-really-bad/
Last season, Isaiah was better than Irving. Not a lot better, but better. He deserved to make All NBA and Kyrie didn’t and that’s what happened. Regardless of what Bill Simmons’s Dad would have you believe, Jae Crowder was also very good and now he’ll be very good for Cleveland and fill the exact role that they haven’t been able to find a solution for to this point. Boston has made very nice additions this summer but also lost their entire starting back court and the whole group of role players who dominated their plus-minus rankings. They’ll get a lot more All Star votes but probably not win many more games. No one believes that this group can beat Golden State
Kyrie is a massively popular player with pedigree and a history of big shots. He’s also probably never going to be good enough to be the best player on the best team. Players who fit that criteria are almost universally MVP candidates by their third or fourth season. Kyrie has played six seasons and made one All NBA team. Unless you believe he’ll follow Steph Curry’s career arc, but without the injury explanation, there’s no precedent for him filling that role.
In the long-term, this trade is a kick in the gut. The most likely path to a title was still through the draft picks. Next year’s draft is loaded at the top-end and, while Brooklyn might be better this season, there’s still a lottery and the team didn’t protect the pick. If that pick becomes a superstar this trade could kill the franchise, and the possibility of that happening is reason enough not to do this if you accept that they’re highly unlikely to follow this core to a title in the short- or medium-term.
Last season, Isaiah was better than Irving. Not a lot better, but better. He deserved to make All NBA and Kyrie didn’t and that’s what happened. Regardless of what Bill Simmons’s Dad would have you believe, Jae Crowder was also very good and now he’ll be very good for Cleveland and fill the exact role that they haven’t been able to find a solution for to this point. Boston has made very nice additions this summer but also lost their entire starting back court and the whole group of role players who dominated their plus-minus rankings. They’ll get a lot more All Star votes but probably not win many more games. No one believes that this group can beat Golden State
Kyrie is a massively popular player with pedigree and a history of big shots. He’s also probably never going to be good enough to be the best player on the best team. Players who fit that criteria are almost universally MVP candidates by their third or fourth season. Kyrie has played six seasons and made one All NBA team. Unless you believe he’ll follow Steph Curry’s career arc, but without the injury explanation, there’s no precedent for him filling that role.
In the long-term, this trade is a kick in the gut. The most likely path to a title was still through the draft picks. Next year’s draft is loaded at the top-end and, while Brooklyn might be better this season, there’s still a lottery and the team didn’t protect the pick. If that pick becomes a superstar this trade could kill the franchise, and the possibility of that happening is reason enough not to do this if you accept that they’re highly unlikely to follow this core to a title in the short- or medium-term.
Most articles hype up upcoming draft classes. That's nothing new.
That pick could've got Boston Cousins in the past but Ainge/Stevens understandably didn't want him.
Paul George wasn't worth the pick because he was an expiring contract and he said he wants to play for the Lakers. The Cs would've mortgaged their future for a one-year rental.
Jimmy Butler isn't much better than Hayward, if at all.
Meanwhile, Kyrie is a champion and Olympic gold medalist that's 3/4 years younger than IT and has 3 years left on his contract.
I'll trust Ainge on this one.
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he doesnt owe them shyt
revan
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That's what you get for stanning 1960s basketball.
9 situations out of 10 Butler is a better piece on a title team than Hayward is.
Only 2 years, but Celtics will probably resign him.
LV Koopa
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What is a 10-year rebuild? I feel like if you take 10 years to rebuild you must have been doing something wrong. No rebuild should take more than 5-6 years tops.
VegetasHairline
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The Sacramento Kings are a 10 year rebuild.
What is a 10-year rebuild? I feel like if you take 10 years to rebuild you must have been doing something wrong. No rebuild should take more than 5-6 years tops.
