Draymond Green vs The World...Day 1: Kyrie Irving

[GoddamnyamanProf]

Bolded is WRONG

Your opinion is irrelevant

 

[KOBE]

Outside of like a Blazers team which is just a shytty ass shyt version of GSW or a Nets, how many teams would have Draymond as their lead facilitator? That takes away his biggest benefit offensively. He doesnt have some elite scoring game, usually during his "dominating" scoring performances, he's ripping dudes from open 3s (i.e game 7) not actually beating guys off the dribble and shyt.

So you have a guy who as far as we know, doesnt create his own game off dribble, wouldn't be the lead facilitator on most teams, wouldn't be playing with as versatile defenders as GSW possesses (no other team I can think of really has the level they do from top to bottom on that end), there's just too much factors that would lead me to believe that most of the best things about Draymond would be nullified on most, if not every, team in the league

Why does Green have to be the lead facilitator to have an impact as a facilitator? The more facilitators your team has the better. And your stupid enough to suggest that Green's defense would somehow be hindered on other teams. You really got the WOAT arguments.

Nothing about Green would be nullified on most teams you moron. Warriors lead the league in assists and that's because their big men is a great passer, not solely because their big man is their main facilitator. He could help create plays and openings on every team and help find the right guy offensively. That isn't something that disappears if moved onto another team.

Nor would his defense disappear because he has different teammates. Again that makes literally zero sense. Warriors aren't great from top to bottom defensively, Zaza is not a stud defensively and Curry is as much of a liability on that end as most point guards are. He would still make teams great defensively except they might actually have another proper big on the team to help him(like Bogut used to).

 

[TrebleMan]

Draymond for versatility, this is coming from somebody who took Kyrie on his starting line-up team during the all-nba draft thread a couple months back.

Does a lot and that's not even talking about the great defense as well. Not too many players like Draymond today or in league history really, but we've seen plenty of players like Kyrie. No shade.

Can't build a team around either of them though. Much better options than that.

 

[Bledswole]

Your opinion is irrelevant

Right but just 2 seasons ago you was the same guy swearing Goran Dragic was better than Westbrook

 

[qnsfinest]

If I was starting a team from scratch and both players were available I would go with Kyrie.

To me there is no debate what Draymond brings to the table, we know what he brings. But he isn't a franchise type player, he is a great player who happens to play in a great system that caters to his skills

 

[Illuminatos]

Other than scoring (which Kyrie does at a really elite level) Draymond does damn near everything better.

Defense, rebounding, playmaking, elite bbiq and is versatile enough to defend all 5 positions.

Unfortunately casuals aren't really impressed by those things. They like flashy scoring which is Kyrie's man draw. Since LeBron's return to Cleveland, the Cavs are 4-12 when Kyrie plays but LeBron doesn't. So really this guy is still the same flashy loser that he was before LeBron came back. It's just that when LeBron is there he can slide back into his natural 2nd option role where his game can really excel. He's not someone you build a team around.

Neither of these guys are #1 options on your team but if I was building around another superstar and had to pick one I'd pick Draymond.

 

[GoddamnyamanProf]

Right but just 2 seasons ago you was the same guy swearing Goran Dragic was better than Westbrook

No?

 

[Illuminatos]

Why is there no Griffin vs. Draymond thread? I'd take Draymond.

Exactly. Besides, what the hell has Griffin done to gain autonomy like that?

 

[malbaker86]

Draymond is a better overall player. Offensive capabilites, defense, rebounding..

But I cannot deny Kyrie's fearlessness and willingness to go absolutely CLUTCH when needed.

I feel you but it's easy to be clutch when you have Bron on the team and HE'S the one that'll take the heat in the clutch moments if the Cavs falters down the stretch.

 

[GoddamnyamanProf]

Other than scoring (which Kyrie does at a really elite level) Draymond does damn near everything better.

Defense, rebounding, playmaking, elite bbiq and is versatile enough to defend all 5 positions.

Unfortunately casuals aren't really impressed by those things. They like flashy scoring which is Kyrie's man draw. Since LeBron's return to Cleveland, the Cavs are 4-12 when Kyrie plays but LeBron doesn't. So really this guy is still the same flashy loser that he was before LeBron came back. It's just that when LeBron is there he can slide back into his natural 2nd option role where his game can really excel. He's not someone you build a team around.

Neither of these guys are #1 options on your team but if I was building around another superstar and had to pick one I'd pick Draymond.

Draymond isnt even a 4th option

 

[Bledswole]

No?

Yea ok,I remember that was yo ass. It's ok to deny it now tho

 

[TrebleMan]

Also as kids learn more advanced NBA moves, we'll see a lot more Kyrie types down the road, while Draymond types are still going to be rare.

 

[GoddamnyamanProf]

Yea ok,I remember that was yo ass. It's ok to deny it now tho

I said Dragic had a higher fg% finishing at the rim than Westbrook, which was a fact (and still is this season.) No denial, just you getting things wrong.

 

[Illuminatos]

Draymond isnt even a 4th option

Draymonds not a scorer you troll.

Klay is the 3rd option on the team but Draymond is still the better player.

 

[Bledswole]

I said Dragic had a higher fg% finishing at the rim than Westbrook, which was a fact (and still is this season.) No denial, just you getting things wrong.