Draymond Green vs The World...Day 3: Carmelo Kyam Anthony

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

You're right, I know when I played ball all through high school, I would make sure to pick up the scorers first because I knew we coule win with them. Ain't no dude gonna win me a game playing defense and can't do shyt on the offensive side

Ain't nobody give a fukk about y'all HS pickup bullshyt. It has no relevance here. That's not how the game works in the pros. And it's alarmingly that you think a bunch of scorers is more conducive to winning than having a balanced team.

 

[JP_614]

Hell no. Carmelo doesn't have the tools or motor to be a great defender let alone anchor a top rated defense. And even while committng all of his energy towards offense he's still substandard relative to the elites in this league.

Draymond is a first option on the other end of the floor and has a strong case for best defender in the league. He's led top 5 defenses in each of the past three seasons and his offense while limited is still of high value. Yes he helps Curry, Thompson, Durant and everyone he plays with. it's not hard to see how.

This isn't an offense only comparison. Its totality. Green brings much more to the table than Carmelo in 2017, as does Gobert. Those two aren't superstars but neither is Carmelo. You are severely underrating their defensive impact and overrating Carmelo if you can't understand why they're better.

Tools or the motor to defender like I said if all he had to do was focus on defense I'm 100% sure Carmelo could defend at the rate of draymond you looking at one year or this 2017 year you telling me when Carmelo first came into the league and he played for the warriors with STEPH DURANT THOMPSON HE COULDNT BE A ROLE PLAYER LIKE DRAYMOND your not getting my point you make me great points to your srguement


I'm not underrating his defense but if that's all he has to focus on I expect him to do well but ask him to lead the team in defense and offense he can't he's no kawhi hes no superstar he's no Alexander he's a role player that's it praise allah

 

[qnsfinest]

Ain't nobody give a fukk about y'all HS pickup bullshyt. It has no relevance here. That's not how the game works in the pros. And it's alarmingly that you think a bunch of scorers is more conducive to winning than having a balanced team.

I'm a very firm believer in every player having a role in a balanced team. No way would the warriors be better with Melo instead of draymond and for sure the knicks would be worst with draymond on the team than melo. This knicks team would would have about 15 wins if you take away melo and replace him with draymond

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Tools or the motor to defender like I said if all he had to do was focus on defense I'm 100% sure Carmelo could defend at the rate of draymond you looking at one year or this 2017 year you telling me when Carmelo first came into the league and he played for the warriors with STEPH DURANT THOMPSON HE COULDNT BE A ROLE PLAYER LIKE DRAYMOND your not getting my point you make me great points to your srguement


I'm not underrating his defense but if that's all he has to focus on I expect him to do well but ask him to lead the team in defense and offense he can't he's no kawhi hes no superstar he's no Alexander he's a role player that's it praise allah

 

[Consumed]

Tools or the motor to defender like I said if all he had to do was focus on defense I'm 100% sure Carmelo could defend at the rate of draymond you looking at one year or this 2017 year you telling me when Carmelo first came into the league and he played for the warriors with STEPH DURANT THOMPSON HE COULDNT BE A ROLE PLAYER LIKE DRAYMOND your not getting my point you make me great points to your srguement


I'm not underrating his defense but if that's all he has to focus on I expect him to do well but ask him to lead the team in defense and offense he can't he's no kawhi hes no superstar he's no Alexander he's a role player that's it praise allah

 

[JP_614]

Idk why you guys shocked what's so hard to understand it's no like draymond can do what Carmelo is doing can he ?

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

I'm a very firm believer in every player having a role in a balanced team. No way would the warriors be better with Melo instead of draymond and for sure the knicks would be worst with draymond on the team than melo. This knicks team would would have about 15 wins if you take away melo and replace him with draymond

The Knicks are currently ranked 25th on defense; replacing Melo with Draymond would turn them into a top-10 defensive team. That's at least 25 wins off the strength of that alone (especially given the fact that KP would have more energy for offense with Draymond anchoring the D). While Draymond wouldn't be able to replace Melo's scoring output or attract the same DA, he would however be exactly what the Knicks need on offense - a playmaker (again, especially for KP's growth and the general function of Hornacek's offense). There's enough scoring between KP, Rose and Draymond (with the help of the supporting cast) that would go a long way to replacing whatever veil of impact Melo has on offense.

 

[DIMES]

What's spooky is I could cross you up in real life

 

[qnsfinest]

The Knicks are currently ranked 25th on defense; replacing Melo with Draymond would turn them into a top-10 defensive team. That's at least 25 wins off the strength of that alone (especially given the fact that KP would have more energy for offense with Draymond anchoring the D). While Draymond wouldn't be able to replace Melo's scoring output or attract the same DA, he would however be exactly what the Knicks need on offense - a playmaker (again, especially for KP's growth and the function of Hornacek's offense). There's enough scoring between KP, Rose and Draymond (with the help of the supporting cast) that would go a long way to replacing whatever veil of impact Melo has on offense.

They would be giving up 95-100pts a game instead of the 109 they give up now but with draymond they will be barely scoring 90pts instead of the 106 they put up now.

Rely on rose in 2017 Gonna end up with courtney lee as your 2nd leading scorer

 

[klientel]

These are dumb ass threads. You can't compare Draymond to other players solely on individual talent. He will always come up short. Melo is wayyyyy fukking better than Dray. But I bet the warriors would laugh if the Knicks offered them Melo for him.

 

[DIMES]

They would be giving up 95-100pts a game instead of the 108 they give up now but with draymond they will be barely scoring 90pts instead of the 110 they put up now.

Rely on rose in 2017 Gonna end up with courtney lee as your 2nd leading scorer

Very good analysis. I love the insight

 

[DIMES]

These are dumb ass threads. You can't compare Draymond to other players solely on individual talent. He will always come up short. Melo is wayyyyy fukking better than Dray. But I bet the warriors would laugh if the Knicks offered them Melo for him.

They don't hear you tho. He's a system player

 

[qnsfinest]

The Knicks are currently ranked 25th on defense; replacing Melo with Draymond would turn them into a top-10 defensive team. That's at least 25 wins off the strength of that alone (especially given the fact that KP would have more energy for offense with Draymond anchoring the D). While Draymond wouldn't be able to replace Melo's scoring output or attract the same DA, he would however be exactly what the Knicks need on offense - a playmaker (again, especially for KP's growth and the general function of Hornacek's offense). There's enough scoring between KP, Rose and Draymond (with the help of the supporting cast) that would go a long way to replacing whatever veil of impact Melo has on offense.

Also act like draymond is the only good defender on the team, KD is a good defender and so is Klay and so was bogut when he was on the team, no way this knicks squad miraculously become a better defensive team with draymond with bum a$$ rose, noah who can't even stay on the floor, KP still can't guard anyone (good shot blocker)

 

[Liquid]

this poll is disrespectful

this nikka is a 4th option on the team being compared to a top 5 1 on 1 scorer oat

The knicks will probably be the 4th seed with him because of his versatlity alone.

He is a much better play maker than Carmelo.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

They would be giving up 95-100pts a game instead of the 108 they give up now but with draymond they will be barely scoring 90pts instead of the 110 they put up now.

Rely on rose in 2017 Gonna end up with courtney lee as your 2nd leading scorer

I'd go as far to say that they would probably have a better ORTG, simply off the fact that Draymond is one of the best transition players in the league, and is the best player at turning defense into offense (Knicks are ranked 24th in fast-break points), where he'd be able to capitalize on a # of FB opportunities that the Knicks don't otherwise take. The dropoff in the halfcourt won't be as bad as you're making it out to be either; the Knicks would have more balanced scoring, KP would get more touches to get into rhythm and develop his skillset, and there'd be even more ball movement.

Also act like draymond is the only good defender on the team, KD is a good defender and so is Klay and so was bogut when he was on the team, no way this knicks squad miraculously become a better defensive team with draymond with bum rose, KP still can't guard anyone (good shot blocker)

Draymond is the best and most versatile defender in the league. I don't think you quite understand just how much impact he has on that end.