Fitzmagic or Fitztragic?The Best Chance To Win. The Official 2016 New York Jets Season Thread

[storyteller]

The staff's opinion doesn't necessarily mean anything. Staff is wrong about players all the time. Pointedly our coaching staff and FO missed on (probable) franchise QBs Wentz and Dak this year, so it's obvious our staff cannot judge QB's ability well. This deficiency and others like it are why NFL staff get fired so much. Geno Smith has shown, statistically, that he can play as well as Fitz with projection to play better.

That's fair. I'm trashing the staff and FO everywhere else but giving them some credit in seeing more of Geno than us. Hadn't really thought about it from that angle.

Moving on, it's still better to start Geno with a chance to play better than Fitz than to not start him and accept Fitz playing like a bottom level QB. Your argument for Fitz over Geno is like arguing for Hoyer over Osweiler. The same tape and potential differentials between Fitz and Geno as between Hoyer and Osweiler.

My fear is that if Geno is only marginally better, we're still not a contender and we should still probably look elsewhere for a franchise QB. If he's as bad or worse, we're in the same boat. So he'd have to be a LOT better to be worth bringing back. On top of that, if Petty shocks us and is more prepared than we thought it'd be a cheaper alternative to re-signing Geno and still having two raw QB's on the roster behind him. I see your point though and acknowledge there's a chance that Geno surprises (I just think it's doubtful after seeing his play over his career so far)

Finally, Petty was never close to beating Geno or Fitz in practice. There's no reason we should start him above Geno. Your argument for starting Petty over Geno is tantamount to starting Tampa Bay's 3rd string QB over Mike Glennon should Jameis Winston get injured. That's preposterous. Petty is a 4th round bum until he shows something in practice.

My logic here is that if we're going to tank, we should really tank. Geno and Fitz can go, give Marshall and Decker shots at the post season if you can, start gearing up to continue the youth movement and pick up extra picks where you can. Petty's probably a bum; but I'm certain Fitz is a bum and I'm confident Geno ain't much better (leaving room for disagreement because you do have a point, but sticking to my assessment). If we remove the question marks around Petty because he's trash, we can release him and let the other two walk...we'd have Hack on the roster and space to add a place holder, target a real prize QB in the draft, or do both without repeating the logjam confusion of this past offseason. But I wanna stress this is all on the basis that I've got no faith in Geno, since you believe that he can still prove something I understand why you're against this thought process.

 

[Harleminthe80s]

We got 12 million reasons why Geno or Petty won't see the Field anytime soon

Like I saw someone say earlier Fitzpatrick is a one-read QB. We really couldn't get someone with a better arm to do the exact thing.

I'm not even a fan of Geno, but I will always be Team ABF(Anybody but Fitz tragic)

I don't know how anybody could look at last year offense and not say it was good but it should've been better

Now this year they are pass happy and not using the run enough

 

[the white hiphop thief]

Why can't we luck into a qb just once

 

[The Fukin Prophecy]

We got 12 million reasons why Geno or Petty won't see the Field anytime soon

Like I saw someone say earlier Fitzpatrick is a one-read QB. We really couldn't get someone with a better arm to do the exact thing.

I'm not even a fan of Geno, but I will always be Team ABF(Anybody but Fitz tragic)

I don't know how anybody could look at last year offense and not say it was good but it should've been better

Now this year they are pass happy and not using the run enough

I never understood what on earth convinced the organization this clown made us contenders...

We had a cake schedule last season and still didn't make the playoffs because this fool fitztragic was atrocious against every .500 team we played...

This is why most of us said let this fukkboi stay home and see what you have in your youngins...Any QB in the league can do what Ftiztragic does, dump it off to the RB, QB draw play, chuck it up to BMarsh/Decker...

 

[Trip]

Where we disagree is that I don't think Geno needs more opportunity to show us something. He was getting reps with the WR's and coaching staff while Fitz held out but the WR's wanted Fitz back and FO wound up bumping the one year offer a smidgeon to hang on to him. The preseason Geno hadn't wasn't inspiring either. He'd have to be significantly better than Fitz to warrant resigning as a starter next season (I don't see a scenario where we'd resign him if he still needs development while two recently draft developing QB's are on the roster). With Petty, having him locked up is the reason to give him a shot imho. If he does well, he's cheap and we can sign a vet back-up to keep pressure on him to continue progressing while we wait for Hack to become whatever he becomes (I'm guessing he'll bust but only time will tell). I don't want to go into next offseason with two young developmental QB's that are all question marks, at least seeing some of Petty could give us an idea of what we've got and how far away he is from being serviceable going into the offseason.

The posters would have some legit arguments if they weren't so hell bent on Geno Smith, who can't play and we've seen him demonstrate that.

Fitz is here because season ticket holders wouldn't put up with a rebuild and Woody demanded money to be spent. An easy schedule last year covered up some of the teams issues, but at its core this is still a team without a QB and an expensive ass secondary that can't cover anyone. The proper rebuild was happening, but alas billboards.

 

[NYC Rebel]

The posters would have some legit arguments if they weren't so hell bent on Geno Smith, who can't play and we've seen him demonstrate that.

Fitz is here because season ticket holders wouldn't put up with a rebuild and Woody demanded money to be spent. An easy schedule last year covered up some of the teams issues, but at its core this is still a team without a QB and an expensive ass secondary that can't cover anyone. The proper rebuild was happening, but alas billboards.

Fitz is here because folks like you clamored for a guy you can't commit to sayang he'd take us to the playoffs.

What you call "hell bent" is a legitimate "lets see what the young guys can do rather than waste time on fitz."

He put on the worst performacne I've ever seen from a qb and here you are still finding room to think some of us are wrong for wondering what the young guys can do.

Everything we said is coming into fruition.
They're not dropping Fitz "interceptable" passes this season like last...we don't have a cake walk schedule you and your types are gassed up from. I didn't expect BM to repeat what he did in 15' and here we are. Watching a time waster at qb you wanted

 

[tremonthustler1]

The posters would have some legit arguments if they weren't so hell bent on Geno Smith, who can't play and we've seen him demonstrate that.

Fitz is here because season ticket holders wouldn't put up with a rebuild and Woody demanded money to be spent. An easy schedule last year covered up some of the teams issues, but at its core this is still a team without a QB and an expensive ass secondary that can't cover anyone. The proper rebuild was happening, but alas billboards.

No it was not. Enough with the crap. If he drafted better he'd still be here. Point blank. Nobody was gonna demand a guy with a good eye for talent be fired.

 

[Trip]

Fitz is here because folks like you clamored for a guy you can't commit to sayang he'd take us to the playoffs.

What you call "hell bent" is a legitimate "lets see what the young guys can do rather than waste time on fitz."

He put on the worst performacne I've ever seen from a qb and here you are still finding room to think some of us are wrong for wondering what the young guys can do.

Fitz is here because he's the best QB the Jets have regardless of yesterday's debacle. The roster is old and expensive(which is on Woody)...but Fitz being here is representative of the current roster not the fanbase.

I was fine and patient with the Idzik approach with strategic FA's and acquiring picks but the owner wasn't as patient as the team stunk.

 

[Trip]

No it was not. Enough with the crap. If he drafted better he'd still be here. Point blank. Nobody was gonna demand a guy with a good eye for talent be fired.

He had 2 drafts lol.

 

[NYC Rebel]

Fitz is here because he's the best QB the Jets have regardless of yesterday's debacle. The roster is old and expensive(which is on Woody)...but Fitz being here is representative of the current roster not the fanbase.

I was fine and patient with the Idzik approach with strategic FA's and acquiring picks but the owner wasn't as patient as the team stunk.

Hes not the best qb on the roster. He was the worst qb in camp not named hackeberg. This was another shytty please the fannbase move. A fan base like you who hated Rex for wins that hurt our draft position but are ok of fitz qbs his way into hurting our draft position. All while being on some when asked can Fitz lead us to the playoffs.
Worst is that you think that selective hypocrisy is ok while maligning posters from wanting to move on to the younger guys.

That's your presence in here in a nutshell

 

[AntoineWalkerShimmy]

I never understood what on earth convinced the organization this clown made us contenders...

Revis coming back. And the start we had to last season before digging ourselves into a hole and then coming close the playoffs/controlling our own fate.

Let's look at it this way;

If we just bring in Brandon Marshall and Cromartie and no Revis, we sell it as "we needed to add some talent and veterans for younger players on our roster and stay competitive". Which is fine because it's true - on both sides of the ball it would've been great to have some veteran cover and locker room presence given the shyt that was going on when Rex was around.

Problem? Our expected starter (Geno) gets injured, Fitz comes in, we do well, priorities change. That and bringing Revis back for what's essentially a 3 year deal (year 4 & 5 each have a dead cap of $1 million each [very bearable when cutting him]) means we now have a 3 year window (last season, this season, next season), whether we like it or not.


FWIW - I wouldn't have brought Revis back last season. Goal was to see if Geno could play last season (before getting injured) with some real WR talent. Let the defense grow on it's on. Yet here we are.

 

[Trip]

Hes not the best qb on the roster. He was the worst qb in camp not named hackeberg. This was another shytty please the fannbase move. A fan base like you who hated Rex for wins that hurt our draft position but are ok of fitz qbs his way into hurting our draft position. All while being on some when asked can Fitz lead us to the playoffs.
Worst is that you think that selective hypocrisy is ok while maligning posters from wanting to move on to the younger guys.

That's your presence in here in a nutshell

Firing Idzik was a please the fanbase move and has led us to where we're at. Expensive roster. I understand the reason Fitz is the QB. Veteran team, expensive...they weren't going to surround that with inexperience at QB. If you hate it so much why keep spending money on season tickets?

 

[NYC Rebel]

Firing Idzik was a please the fanbase move and has led us to where we're at. Expensive roster. I understand the reason Fitz is the QB. Veteran team, expensive...they weren't going to surround that with inexperience at QB. If you hate it so much why keep spending money on season tickets?

No....you're a hypocrite


Get mad at Rex for senseless wins while cheerleading for a guy that will do the same at qb. "T-t-t-there's no one worth tanking for in 2017."

 

[Trip]

No....you're a hypocrite


Get mad at Rex for senseless wins while cheerleading for a guy that will do the same at qb. "T-t-t-there's no one worth tanking for in 2017."

Winning games in December when youre sitting on 2 wins with two legit QB prospects available vs winning games in September is a little different

 

[Trip]

Revis coming back. And the start we had to last season before digging ourselves into a hole and then coming close the playoffs/controlling our own fate.

Let's look at it this way;

If we just bring in Brandon Marshall and Cromartie and no Revis, we sell it as "we needed to add some talent and veterans for younger players on our roster and stay competitive". Which is fine because it's true - on both sides of the ball it would've been great to have some veteran cover and locker room presence given the shyt that was going on when Rex was around.

Problem? Our expected starter (Geno) gets injured, Fitz comes in, we do well, priorities change. That and bringing Revis back for what's essentially a 3 year deal (year 4 & 5 each have a dead cap of $1 million each [very bearable when cutting him]) means we now have a 3 year window (last season, this season, next season), whether we like it or not.


FWIW - I wouldn't have brought Revis back last season. Goal was to see if Geno could play last season (before getting injured) with some real WR talent. Let the defense grow on it's on. Yet here we are.

The Revis and Harris contracts are both awful(much worse than a one year QB deal). Trading a pick for Clady was less than ideal as well.