Gucci Mane vs Kendrick Lamar:Bigger impact and legacy on hip hop

[JustCKing]

Gucci has impacted American Culture and really world rap/hiphop culture due to how he influenced the local ATL rappers as well as those outside of ATL who try to mimic Gucci's steps.

Am I a Gucci fan? Yes. do I think he's more influential than Kendrick and Dre? as of September the 4th, 2016... yes.

No one follows Dre's maneuvers unless they are individuals who want to mimic Dre's business mind and business hustle. No one follows Kendrick to the point of "Damn, he sounds like Kendrick" or some shyt. Kendrick is nice, but to deny the impact Gucci has had (either Directly or indirectly) is bullshyt hate on Gucci because he's a trap rapper.

Again, Kendrick has the potential to be all the things that his fans and followers want him to be or believe he currently is. but as of 2016, Kendrick is not influential as Gucci is. and Gucci (although you all may not like it due to his music, past or image) is more influential than both Kendrick and Dre when we're talking strictly musical and cultural (dress, speech, even drug choice).

The key word is LOCAL ATL rappers. Then you go on to say he impacted American culture. You're comparing something occurring on a local level vs. something national and even international (American culture). You're still not saying what the impact is culturally (language, fashion, overall way of life, philosophy).

And no Gucci Mane is not more influential than a Dr. Dre at any point in time.

I'm not hating on Gucci Mane at all. Trap Muzik is one of my favorite albums so you can miss me with the trap rapper talk.

Gucci Mane is the one that isn't what his fans are making him out to be in this thread. And no Gucci Mane is not more influential than Dr. Dre. The Chronic album is still more relevant than anything Gucci has ever done. Andre 3000 is more influential than Gucci.

 

[Nomadum]

Could agree with Kendrick but Gucci being more relevant than DRE is fukking ridiculous

Tell me how many producers say they look up to Dre?

Tell me how many rappers say "Damn, I want to be in a group just like NWA and then have a falling out and then become a billionaire"?

Outside of Dre being worth a Billion+, no one in this day and age who are fans of music and know who Dre is says they want to mimic Dre.

You think it's "" only because his name is Dre. truth be told, not being influential isn't a tick against your worth. Dre is arguable THAT nikka in rap music. Puffy tried to hit a Billion, NOPE! Jay tried to hit a Billion and without Beyonce, NOPE! Dre the ONLY BLACK rap musician who has hit that B status, that in itself is major and large but let's get real, no one wants to be like Dre outside of his money earnings and if you say I'm dumb or trolling or lying, then pull up artist interviews who say they want to be like Dre for his musical style and production.

I'll wait.

 

[Nomadum]

The key word is LOCAL ATL rappers.

I didn't read past this because this is the meat and potatoes of your argument.

and since this is the meat and potatoes, you're definitely being bias in this view point. again, Local ATL rappers were influenced by Gucci, in return world rappers have followed under these Local ATL rappers.

You see where I'm getting at?

Gucci gave birth to Local ATL rappers,
Local ATL rappers gave birth to bigger things outside of Georgia.

it's rappers* in FRANCE* right fukking now, BBBBIIIIGGGGG GUWOP fans. so again, Gucci is more influential than Kendrick.

 

[Danktoker94]

Tell me how many producers say they look up to Dre?

Tell me how many rappers say "Damn, I want to be in a group just like NWA and then have a falling out and then become a billionaire"?

Outside of Dre being worth a Billion+, no one in this day and age who are fans of music and know who Dre is says they want to mimic Dre.

You think it's "" only because his name is Dre. truth be told, not being influential isn't a tick against your worth. Dre is arguable THAT nikka in rap music. Puffy tried to hit a Billion, NOPE! Jay tried to hit a Billion and without Beyonce, NOPE! Dre the ONLY BLACK rap musician who has hit that B status, that in itself is major and large but let's get real, no one wants to be like Dre outside of his money earnings and if you say I'm dumb or trolling or lying, then pull up artist interviews who say they want to be like Dre for his musical style and production.

I'll wait.

WOW! That's all I can say so you gonna tell me YG,SCHOOLBOYq,Jayrock,Kendrick,Nippsey hustle Aren't directly influenced by DRE like DRE didn't just have a movie come out not to long ago like DRE didn't put out Eminem one of the LEGENDS like People walk around with the his headphones that clearly say his name don't know who he is like radio stations all over the world don't use his headphones and the man just put out. A soundtrack to a movie that went number 1 Bruh your stanning for Gucci is getting outta hand like the chronic and chronic2001 weren't arguably the biggest albums from the west tell me this tho who's cosign holds more weight ? Cause every artist DRE puts on goes up to being plat

 

[JustCKing]

I didn't read past this because this is the meat and potatoes of your argument.

and since this is the meat and potatoes, you're definitely being bias in this view point. again, Local ATL rappers were influenced by Gucci, in return world rappers have followed under these Local ATL rappers.

You see where I'm getting at?

Gucci gave birth to Local ATL rappers,
Local ATL rappers gave birth to bigger things outside of Georgia.

it's rappers* in FRANCE* right fukking now, BBBBIIIIGGGGG GUWOP fans. so again, Gucci is more influential than Kendrick.

You're accusing me of being biased, yet you're in here talking about how Gucci is more influential than Dr. Dre.

And no, a lot of the rappers outside of the obvious ones, have no reach outside of the ATL. And just to make the point clearer, Ghetto Mafia influenced a lot of local ATL rappers too, but you don't see people saying they are more influential than rappers whose music is actually the soundtrack to a movement and had rappers responding to one verse.

 

[Nomadum]

WOW! That's all I can say so you gonna tell me YG,SCHOOLBOYq,Jayrock,Kendrick,Nippsey hustle Aren't directly influenced by DRE like DRE didn't just have a movie come out not to long ago like DRE didn't put out Eminem one of the LEGENDS like People walk around with the his headphones that clearly say his name don't know who he is like radio stations all over the world don't use his headphones and the man just put out. A soundtrack to a movie that went number 1 Bruh your stanning for Gucci is getting outta hand like the chronic and chronic2001 weren't arguably the biggest albums from the west

I didn't even bring YG or any other west coast rappers in the mix because they don't serve any purpose in this discussion. again, the point raised was who is more influential, Gucci or Kendrick.

My answer is Gucci and I presented my reasoning for why Gucci is more influential.
You don't have to like it, but truth of the matter is Gucci has more clout with listeners than both Kendrick and Dre. it just is what it is.

Until Kendrick has the world over following his footsteps, you can't compare the influential nature of him against Gucci.

you want to argue who has better bars? Definitely Kendrick, but that's not the argument is it? the argument is on Influence and who has more of it.

 

[JustCKing]

WOW! That's all I can say so you gonna tell me YG,SCHOOLBOYq,Jayrock,Kendrick,Nippsey hustle Aren't directly influenced by DRE like DRE didn't just have a movie come out not to long ago like DRE didn't put out Eminem one of the LEGENDS like People walk around with the his headphones that clearly say his name don't know who he is like radio stations all over the world don't use his headphones and the man just put out. A soundtrack to a movie that went number 1 Bruh your stanning for Gucci is getting outta hand like the chronic and chronic2001 weren't arguably the biggest albums from the west

And what makes this even worse is that you have artists like OutKast (who are actually from the A) state how The Chronic influenced their sound. Kanye West bit drums off "Xxplosive" from 2001. Kanye is on record saying he bit them.

 

[Nomadum]

And what makes this even worse is that you have artists like OutKast (who are actually from the A) state how The Chronic influenced their sound. Kanye West bit drums off "Xxplosive" from 2001. Kanye is on record saying he bit them.

so if I go into any neighborhood in America, you telling me they fukk with kendrick more than Gucci?

the reason why I know Gucci is more influential is because the young kids in my neighborhood all jam both Kendrick and Gucci but they wouldn't go pay bread to see a Kendrick show, but when Gucci came all the lil youngings were dapper down, turnt up and in there to see Gucci. they follow Gucci, not kendrick.

again, this is how it is in most inner city neighborhoods in America. you don't have to agree but it is what it is.

 

[Danktoker94]

Na Bruh what make even worst is that DRE is so much more influential just based on his production skills let alone he pretty much set the template for sampling today DRE started his own era of music being GFUNK DRE wasint even. A rapper many artist have stated this Kanye RZA Pete rocks but on the coli cacs like nomad say Gucci is more influential half the artist DRE has put on went on to influence today's new school

And what makes this even worse is that you have artists like OutKast (who are actually from the A) state how The Chronic influenced their sound. Kanye West bit drums off "Xxplosive" from 2001. Kanye is on record saying he bit them.

 

[JustCKing]

Kendrick's album is the subject in college courses across America immediately after TPAB dropped, but people in here are arguing that Gucci Mane is more impactful because he influenced local ATL rappers. If that's the case, we should have a thread of how Ghetto Mafia has had more impact than Nas because they influenced local ATL rappers and those rappers went on to become some of the biggest in Hip Hop. Even though Nas dropped an album that Michael Eric Dyson wrote a book about, a documentary exists discussing its impact, it's been referenced by some of the greatest MC's ever, and many attest to it being one of the greatest albums ever.

 

[Nomadum]

Na Bruh what make even worst is that DRE is so much more influential just based on his production skills let alone he pretty much set the template for sampling today

You are definitely all the way wrong in regards to him setting the template for sampling, I don't even feel like typing the wall's of text needed to show you just how incorrect your are in that regards.

but here's a question, since Dre is as influential "just based on his production skills" please name me the last 5 songs Dre had a hand in producing without using google, wikipedia or the internet to find this information. let's see how influential he's been to you

 

[Danktoker94]

You are definitely all the way wrong in regards to him setting the template for sampling, I don't even feel like typing the wall's of text needed to show you just how incorrect your are in that regards.

but here's a question, since Dre is as influential "just based on his production skills" please name me the last 5 songs Dre had a hand in producing without using google, wikipedia or the internet to find this information. let's see how influential he's been to you

Why would I do that just check the Compton album so that album wasint number one of the billboards bu bu bu I thought DRE wasint relevant

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

Whether he was pushed like Kendrick or not, isn't the issue. He was pushed.

wrong,he wasnt pushed nowhere near like kendrick.
Damn near anyone with a deal in general is pushed

 

[Danktoker94]

Name me one Gucci cosign that has impacted the game more than Dres? record sales critical acclaim etc @Nomadum

 

[JustCKing]

so if I go into any neighborhood in America, you telling me they fukk with kendrick more than Gucci?

the reason why I know Gucci is more influential is because the young kids in my neighborhood all jam both Kendrick and Gucci but they wouldn't go pay bread to see a Kendrick show, but when Gucci came all the lil youngings were dapper down, turnt up and in there to see Gucci. they follow Gucci, not kendrick.

again, this is how it is in most inner city neighborhoods in America. you don't have to agree but it is what it is.

Coli logic at work again. Just because that's how it is in your hood isn't indicative of all hoods in America. It's not even a snap shot. Then you're contradicting yourself by saying you know young kids in your hood who jam both.