In their primes, who do you take: Nash or Jkidd

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Probably only Parker was in his prime that year tho. TD & Manu were already on the wrong side of 30 back then.

Duncan was only 33 during that season, he was still in his prime - albeit at the tail end (he was actually the Spurs leading scorer that season). I mean shyt he was still putting up 18/10 on good efficiency and playing elite defense during the 2013 playoffs. Same as Manu, he was only 32 and still in his prime. His game didn't really taper off until 2012.

 

[I.AM.PIFF]

Duncan was only 33 during that season, he was still in his prime - albeit at the tail end (he was actually the Spurs leading scorer that season). I mean shyt he was still putting up 18/10 on good efficiency and playing elite defense during the 2013 playoffs. Same as Manu, he was only 32 and still in his prime. His game didn't really taper off until 2012.

Manu did make the ASG the following year tho but I feel his best years were 05-08 and Duncan's were 02-07 That's like calling 2012 Kobe as prime Kobe

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Manu did make the ASG the following year tho but I feel his best years were 05-08 and Duncan's were 02-07 That's like calling 2012 Kobe as prime Kobe

Plus not to mention, even though Manu was 32 and Duncan 33 - Nash was 35 when the Suns swept them (averaging 16.5 ppg on 50% and 11 assists on the #1 offense that season). Which makes that feat all the more impressive. I think you're referring more to their respective peak seasons, rather than overall primes - which can extend past when players are at their absolute best. The terms are all relative though.

 

[I.AM.PIFF]

Plus not to mention, even though Manu was 32 and Duncan 33 - Nash was 35 when the Suns swept them (averaging 16.5 ppg on 50% and 11 assists on the #1 offense that season). Which makes that feat all the more impressive. I think you're referring more to their respective peak seasons, rather than overall primes - which can extend past when players are at their absolute best. The terms are all relative though.

He also put up 22/4.5/8 in that series on some insane shooting splits

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Both those "awful" Lakers and Clippers teams were better than four of the six teams Kidd played. Nash's Suns also beat a 50-win T'Blazers team, better* than almost every squad Kidd played during his teams' Finals' runs (I'm surprised you forgot about this - *although technically they were without Roy) and they also swept a 50-win Spurs team that had Duncan, Ginobili and Parker in their primes.

Meanwhile, Kidd was out there playing against teams in the playoffs that would've been lottery teams out in the West.

Yeah, but they were the Clippers and the Kobecentric Lakers. They were destined to lose.

I remember that we lost, always. After I started planning our celebration party at the end of the 3rd quarter in Game 7 in 2000, we never won shyt again. (Last year against the Austin Rivers all stars doesn't count.) And never really expected to, because we were always "one step away". All those first round opponents blur together.



p.s. - true story. After we took that 15-point lead near the beginning of the 4th, I called my best friend and got up to walk to the door to take off to his house for a huge party, because we were 100% certain that if we beat the Lakers then the title was ours. But as I got to the door, the Lakers hit a shot, and I got slightly nervous. I stood in front of the door and watched the entire fourth quarter just standing there, holding out hope until the last moment and then getting crushed. I can still remember at least half-a-dozen specific plays from that meltdown.

 

[Originalman]

A good defender at PG isn't really necessary to a teams success.

Yes it is if he can at times guard positions 1 thru 3 which Kidd could do at times.

 

[Goatpoacher]

Better question: How many Raptors games have you actually watched over the last two seasons?

Last season I watched maybe 10 regular season, almost all of the playoff games.

This season I've barely had a chance to watch basketball, not even warriors games.

Given that I watched Lowry so heavily in the playoffs, you can understand why I'm not so sold on him :jjjjj:

 

[Da King]

Nash even getting one vote just proves how stupid these coli nikkas are

 

[Mars]

A past his prime J.Kidd won a championship with D.Nowitzki.Imagine what a prime 1998-2005 J.kidd would have done with Nowitzki ?

Nash never made it to the finals playing with a prime Nowitzki or Stoudamire.

 

[Houston911]

Actually I should've used my posts from an earlier argument in this thread, I was really downplaying Nash's achievements - he didn't run two #1 offenses before going to Phoenix, he actually ran THREE #1 offenses:

2002 - #1 offense (in Dallas - he averaged 18 ppg that season)
2003 - #1 offense (again in Dallas - again he averaged 18 ppg that season - 17.7 ppg to be exact)
2004 - #1 offense (again in Dallas)
2005 - #1 offense (first season in Phoenix)
2006 - #1 offense (starting lineup of Raja Bell, Kurt Thomas, Marion, Boris Diaw)
2007 - #1 offense
2008 - #2 offense
2009 - #2 offense
2010 - #1 offense

Nash had a decade long-run of orchestrating the best or second best offense (some are among the greatest in history), on two different teams with 3-4 different coaches and with every style/skillset of player you could think of.

@houston911

Great player, no one disagrees

He just wasnt a superstar until dantoni gave him the foundation

Unless you think he was a superstar with don nelson

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

CBS Sports' 50 greatest NBA players of all time: Where do LeBron, Curry rank?

#29 Kidd
#28 Nash

I guess that finally settles it then.

 

[Ben.]

@Gil Scott-Heroin random bump but great job in here breh

@everyone who voted Kidd

 

[CP3.]

Nash for me but tbh not much in it. Like Trae and Ja in the current era. Whichever one you have you're gonna be happy with

 

[mastermind]

The answer is Nash

 

[ISO]

The one that can shoot