In their primes, who do you take: Nash or Jkidd

[Draje]

Prime Nash in the playoffs was past his prime.

Kidd thrived in multiple offenses. 3J Mavs, Suns with KJ, Suns w/o KJ, Nets slow offense, Mavs again. Hell, Kidd's prime was since entering the league until 2nd stint with Mavs. It shouldn't be a contest. He's played fast break, fast paced, Princeton, half-court, and PG dominated offenses. he stepped up and was the leading scorer for a team that had no true scorer. He's gotten far more players paid than Nash.

When Phx got rid of D'Antoni, do y'all not remember how Nash struggled until they implemented the old offense? AND when Mavs exchanged Nash for JET, they were in the finals...an all iso offense.

Thrived HOW? Nash ran some of the most explosive offenses of all time. Kidd's offenses were usually average.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Prime Nash in the playoffs was past his prime.

Wait, what?

 

[L. Deezy]

Nash top 5 all time favorite for me... crafty as fuhk

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

When Phx got rid of D'Antoni, do y'all not remember how Nash struggled until they implemented the old offense?

AND when Mavs exchanged Nash for JET, they were in the finals...an all iso offense.

First of all, the Mavs didn't get into the Finals until TWO years after Nash left and that was mostly down to Dirk hitting his prime, other roster alterations, more of a offensive/defensive balance under A.Johnson and growth as a squad. Not because of Nash. Second of all during Nash's closing years in Dallas: the Mavs had the #1 offense in 2003 and the #1 offense in 2004. Basically Nash was running the best offense in the league for two seasons before he even played in D'Antoni's system (@houston911 and @hayesc0 take note of this).

 

[Houston911]

First of all, the Mavs didn't get into the Finals until TWO years after Nash left and that was mostly down to Dirk hitting his prime, other roster alterations, more of a offensive/defensive balance under A.Johnson and growth as a squad. Not because of Nash. Second of all during Nash's closing years in Dallas: the Mavs had the #1 offense in 2003 and the #1 offense in 2004. Basically Nash was running the best offense in the league for two seasons before he even played in D'Antoni's system (@houston911 and @hayesc0 take note of this).

Nash was a very good player in dallas

Not a superstar thoughits revisionist history to suggest otherwise

 

[hayesc0]

First of all, the Mavs didn't get into the Finals until TWO years after Nash left and that was mostly down to Dirk hitting his prime, other roster alterations, more of a offensive/defensive balance under A.Johnson and growth as a squad. Not because of Nash. Second of all during Nash's closing years in Dallas: the Mavs had the #1 offense in 2003 and the #1 offense in 2004. Basically Nash was running the best offense in the league for two seasons before he even played in D'Antoni's system (@houston911 and @hayesc0 take note of this).

It took him until his 5 season just to be a consistent player

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Nash was a very good player in dallas

Not a superstar thoughits revisionist history to suggest otherwise

He was a late bloomer. It wasn't D'Antoni's system, it was Nash himself. He was just given more freedom to showcase his abilities in Phoenix.

It took him until his 5 season just to be a consistent player

I don't see what that has to do with i) this thread - his prime ii) the fact he was still running the best offenses prior to D'Antoni's system, when you claimed it was all down to the system.

 

[hayesc0]

He was a late bloomer. It wasn't D'Antoni's system, it was Nash himself. He was just given more freedom to showcase his abilities in Phoenix.


I don't see what that has to do with i) this thread - his prime ii) the fact he was still running the best offenses prior to D'Antoni's system, when you claimed it was all down to the system.

It has alot to do with it that means he had 4 mediocre years before he could even be considered good. Kidd was good out the block. Also i didn't say it all came down to the system i said his numbers where inflated by the system which they where.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

I don't think it's as easy as some guys are making it sound, but the answer's Kidd.

Both can distribute well, but I'm taking Kidd's defense over Nash's offense.

 

[Houston911]

He was a late bloomer. It wasn't D'Antoni's system, it was Nash himself. He was just given more freedom to showcase his abilities in Phoenix.


I don't see what that has to do with i) this thread - his prime ii) the fact he was still running the best offenses prior to D'Antoni's system, when you claimed it was all down to the system.

Please show me another player who "late bloomed" into a superstar at age 30

Show me some other guys who put up better stats from 35-37 than they did from 25-27

Humor me

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Please show me another player who "late bloomed" into a superstar at age 30

Show me some other guys who put up better stats from 35-37 than they did from 25-27

Humor me

First of all, Nash was playing at a high level when he was entering his late 20s (around 27-28) when he was still in Dallas. In his second to last season as a Mav, he was basically averaging 18 ppg on high efficiency + 7-8 assists a game (while running the league's best offense). The only notable change in surface stats when he went to Phoenix was his assist #s, and that was largely due to being given more freedom on offense, surrounded by better overall finishers and the fact he was now the face of a team (he was never going to surpass Dirk as the lead man in Dallas).

He basically had the same ability during his final years as a Mav, as he did during his peak years in Phoenix. Nash was a unique player and there really isn't a blueprint for his career. However, there are a few dudes who bloomed later on in their careers - Chauncey Billups being one of the main PGs in recent memory, who didn't hit his stride until he was in his late-20s and he continued that on until he was in his mid-30s. Sam Cassell's another player who had a similar career-trajectory (late-20s until his mid-30s). Gary Payton too was a late bloomer.

Nash certainly isn't an isolated case.

 

[Donald Trumps Twitter]

depends on the team built around them.


nash was a more polished scorer

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

It has alot to do with it that means he had 4 mediocre years before he could even be considered good. Kidd was good out the block.

Again what does that have to do with anything when once Nash found his groove he proved to play at a higher level? I mean after all isn't this thread based on their respective primes?

Also i didn't say it all came down to the system i said his numbers where inflated by the system which they where.

I'm just showing you that he had the same ability (in general) and still managed to run the league's best offense when he was in Dallas, before he even went to the Suns.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

I don't think it's as easy as some guys are making it sound, but the answer's Kidd.

Both can distribute well, but I'm taking Kidd's defense over Nash's offense.

What good is 'distributing well' if you can't run an efficient offense? Rondo distributes well but he can't run an efficient offense to save his life. I think we all can agree that both Kidd and Nash are basically on the same level as passers, however one ran some of the greatest offenses in history, while the other only ran average-to-bad offenses (and that was only on a season scale, not in history). Besides you can only have so much impact defensively from the PG position, and at the end of the day Kidd's defense didn't make up the margin he gave up to Nash on offense.

 

[Draje]

It has alot to do with it that means he had 4 mediocre years before he could even be considered good. Kidd was good out the block. Also i didn't say it all came down to the system i said his numbers where inflated by the system which they where.

Lmao come on guys, Melo was good out the block compared to someone like Curry who took years to DEVELOP!

See how stupid that sounds? Who cares if Kidd was better out of the block, Nash was better in his prime.