In their primes, who do you take: Nash or Jkidd

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  • Nash

    Votes: 87 29.8%
  • Kidd

    Votes: 205 70.2%

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He got pat beverley out here putting up #.
I'm guessing you can't contest the rest of that post either since you've now latched onto another PG as reference. :ld:
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Minimal difference from past seasons if you ask me, especially considering the Rockets have better finishers this season (ref his assist numbers) - look at last season where he was scoring more points on a higher percentage despite playing less minutes.
 

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I'm guessing you can't contest the rest of that post either since you've now latched onto another PG as reference. :ld:
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Minimal difference from past seasons if you ask me, especially considering the Rockets have better finishers this season (ref his assist numbers) - look at last season where he was scoring more points on a higher percentage despite playing less minutes.
:russ: Yeah I think that has to do with e gordons usage rate bit look at his other # that's far from a minimal difference. Also he shot a whole 1 more fga last season gtfohwtbs.
 
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:russ: Yeah I think that has to do with e gordons usage rate bit look at his other # that's far from a minimal difference.
What the hell are you even talking about?
Also he shot a whole 1 more fga last season gtfohwtbs.
He did take one more FGA last season, yet he still had a higher FG%/3-pt% last season - he still scored more points per shot last season. Your claim that he's putting up #s this season (as argument that PGs have inflated stats under D'Antoni) doesn't make any sense when he scored more points on better efficiency last season.
 

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What the hell are you even talking about?

He did take one more FGA last season, yet he still had a higher FG%/3-pt% last season - he still scored more points per shot last season. Your claim that he's putting up #s this season (as argument that PGs have inflated stats under D'Antoni) doesn't make any sense when he scored more points on better efficiency last season.
I'm on my phone so it wrote bit instead of but. Gordon takes alot of shots and has high usage that takes away from beverly some offensively is what I mean. Also you still ignoring his other # and just talking about scoring. This is the same thing you did in the kidd Lowry debate so no surprise here.
 
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I'm on my phone so it wrote bit instead of but. Gordon takes alot of shots and has high usage that takes away from beverly some offensively is what I mean.
This doesn't make much sense, since Beverly plays most of his minutes with the starting lineup - not the bench. Beverly and Gordon only play 13 minutes per game together. Not to mention the Rockets had Howard and Beasley last season too - two players who took away touches from Beverly.
Also you still ignoring his other # and just talking about scoring.
What other numbers are inflated in a D'Antoni system? I've already explained that his increase in assists are mostly done to the team having better finishers. Not to mention there's no Lawson on the team either this season (Beverly is now the sole #2 playmaker.)
This is the same thing you did in the kidd Lowry debate so no surprise here.
Let me guess, you're the type of dude to value impact from all that happens in the box score? :francis:
 

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This doesn't make much sense, since Beverly plays most of his minutes with the starting lineup - not the bench. Beverly and Gordon only play 13 minutes per game together. Not to mention the Rockets had Howard and Beasley last season too - two players who took away touches from Beverly.

What other numbers are inflated in a D'Antoni system? I've already explained that his increase in assists are mostly done to the team having better finishers. Not to mention there's no Lawson on the team either this season (Beverly is now the sole #2 playmaker.)

Let me guess, you're the type of dude to value impact from all that happens in the box score? :francis:
:what: 13 minutes together is almost half the minutes Beverly gets thats not a small amount. Yes yes yes as always dismiss anyone's valid points but once again no surprise here. Not even gonna bother with the last since you stay talking about made up numbers :snoop:
 
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:what: 13 minutes together is almost half the minutes Beverly gets thats not a small amount.
You're acting as if he's out there for the majority of his time on court with Gordon. He's not. You're acting like other players weren't taking touches off him last season. Your complete lack of perspective is hilarious.
Yes yes yes as always dismiss anyone's valid points but once again no surprise here.
They're not valid because you wanna pin this to D'Antoni's system but you aren't willing to admit that there's minimal difference between his #s from last season to this season (especially with him averaging more points on better efficiency last season).

He's also averaging more minutes with the ball this season too.

There's literally no argument there for you.
Not even gonna bother with the last since you stay talking about made up numbers :snoop:
You're not going to bother with the last line because you simply don't know how to weigh and value impact properly.
 

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I think people forget how good of an offensive player Nash was, and how bad of a shooter Kidd was.

Nash was the best shooter in the league while simultaneously being the best play maker.

That being said, I'd give the slight edge to Kidd because of the ring.
 

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I think people forget how good of an offensive player Nash was, and how bad of a shooter Kidd was.

Nash was the best shooter in the league while simultaneously being the best play maker.

That being said, I'd give the slight edge to Kidd because of the ring.

nash was a better shooter but kidd improved his 3pt shot later in his career and that's what helped him win a ring. Maybe if nash would've improved his defense it would've given phoenix a better shot to win.Kidd improved his weakness nash never did
 

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Nash played soft and no defense.

Kidd made the finals with scrubs Ill take Kidd.
Those Suns teams would have made the finals in the early 2000s Eastern Conference.


The 2002 Eastern Conference playoff teams might be the worst collection of playoff teams ever
 
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