Is the NFL fixed?

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Definitely in some instances. Most owners have connections to notorious bookmakers, the NFL is technically an entertainment organization on the same level of WWE that can legally fix its own games if it wanted to. I don't know about wins and losses necessarily being fixed, but totals and spreads? Absolutely.
 

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Definitely in some instances. Most owners have connections to notorious bookmakers, the NFL is technically an entertainment organization on the same level of WWE that can legally fix its own games if it wanted to. I don't know about wins and losses necessarily being fixed, but totals and spreads? Absolutely.
When I read the NFL doesn't consider it a sports league and considers itself an entertainment product just blew my mind.

They can LEGALLY fix games and get away with it. :snoop:
 

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When I read the NFL doesn't consider it a sports league and considers itself an entertainment product just blew my mind.

They can LEGALLY fix games and get away with it. :snoop:

Yep. Not really a surprise tbh. Only thing any of these sports organizations give a fukk about is profit wherever it is. The gambling underbelly of the NFL also plays a big part of this.

Without fantasy and sports bettors like myself, a huge part of the NFL's profitability would be lost.
 

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When I read the NFL doesn't consider it a sports league and considers itself an entertainment product just blew my mind.

They can LEGALLY fix games and get away with it. :snoop:

All professional sports are entertainment, hence the reason why they get paid multi millions to play.
NFL is far from fixed, though games can be decided by biased refs/stupid playcalls by coaches/bonehead plays by players
 

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All professional sports are entertainment, hence the reason why they get paid multi millions to play.
NFL is far from fixed, though games can be decided by biased refs/stupid playcalls by coaches/bonehead plays by players
not entertainment as in we watch it to be entertained, but they do NOT consider themselves to be a COMPETITIVE SPORTS LEAGUE



The Spygate lawsuit
Carl Mayer is a New York Jets season ticket holder. He is also a lawyer. When it was discovered that the New England Patriots were videotaping their opponents’ coaching signals – a scandalous event later dubbed “Spygate” that shook the NFL in 2007 – it happened to come to light during a Jets-Patriots game.

Mayer sued, seeking $185 million in damages on behalf of all Jets ticket holders. His claim was that due to the Patriots’ actions, the games between the two franchises were essentially rigged since Patriots Head Coach Bill Belichick took control of the team in 2000. In early 2010, the case reached the U.S. 3rd Circuit Court of Appeals.

In May 2010, the appeals court judges tossed the case. The Senior Judge of the three judge panel Robert E. Cowen wrote in his precendential opinion (which you can read here), “We do not condone the conduct on the part of the Patriots and the team's head coach, and we likewise refrain from assessing whether the NFL's sanctions (and its alleged destruction of the videotapes themselves) were otherwise appropriate.” But the reason why Cowen and the other judges decided against Mayer was because, “At best, he [Mayer] possessed nothing more than a contractual right to a seat from which to watch an NFL game between the Jets and the Patriots, and this right was clearly honored.”

Cowen went on to write,"Mayer possessed either a license or, at best, a contractual right to enter Giants Stadium and to have a seat from which to watch a professional football game. In the clear language of the ticket stub, ‘[t]his ticket only grants entry into the stadium and a spectator seat for the specified NFL game.’ Mayer actually was allowed to enter the stadium and witnessed the ‘specified NFL game’ between the Jets and Patriots. He thereby suffered no cognizable injury to a legally protected right or interest.”

He then concluded, "We do not condone the conduct on the part of the Patriots and the team’s head coach, and we likewise refrain from assessing whether the NFL’s sanctions (and its alleged destruction of the videotapes themselves) were otherwise appropriate. We further recognize that professional football, like other professional sports, is a multi-billion dollar business. In turn, ticket-holders and other fans may have legitimate issues with the manner in which they are treated….Significantly, our ruling also does not leave Mayer and other ticket-holders without any recourse. Instead, fans could speak out against the Patriots, their coach, and the NFL itself. In fact, they could even go so far as to refuse to purchase tickets or NFL-related merchandise….However, the one thing they cannot do is bring a legal action in a court of law. [emphasis in original].”

Mayer’s lawyer, Bruce Afran, disagreed. He believed consumer fraud had occurred. He said, “(The opinion) seems to suggest that no matter how much ticket holders pay, they can be defrauded by NFL teams. And it puts the NFL on the same level as professional wrestling.”

Because there is no law outside of the loose interpretation of fraud from preventing a league from fixing its own games, Afran’s conclusion is correct. One cannot fix a sporting event for gambling purposes; that is illegal. And one cannot fix an intellectual contest for entertainment purposes; that was made illegal after the quiz show scandal of the 1950s.

But fix a sporting event for entertainment purposes? Completely legal.

What’s worse, the lawyer representing the NFL, Shepard Goldfein, actually argued in court that “fans likely would buy tickets even if they knew the Patriots were stealing signals.” In other words, the NFL realizes that much like pro wrestling, even if fans knew the football was rigged, they still pay their money to see it.
In March 2011, the Supreme Court refused to hear Mayer's appeal thereby affirming the lower court's findings.

As these two court cases prove, it is time to see the NFL in a completely different light. It is not a loosely organized group of teams fighting tooth-and-nail to beat their rivals. No, the NFL is a well-organized machine out to maximize its profits by doing everything within their power to make people consume their product: the games.

…And that includes possibly allowing fixed games to occur because sucker fans would still pay to watch them play football.
 
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not entertainment as in we watch it to be entertained, but they do NOT consider themselves to be a COMPETITIVE SPORTS LEAGUE



The Spygate lawsuit
Carl Mayer is a New York Jets season ticket holder. He is also a lawyer. When it was discovered that the New England Patriots were videotaping their opponents’ coaching signals – a scandalous event later dubbed “Spygate” that shook the NFL in 2007 – it happened to come to light during a Jets-Patriots game.

Mayer sued, seeking $185 million in damages on behalf of all Jets ticket holders. His claim was that due to the Patriots’ actions, the games between the two franchises were essentially rigged since Patriots Head Coach Bill Belichick took control of the team in 2000. In early 2010, the case reached the U.S. 3rd Circuit Court of Appeals.

In May 2010, the appeals court judges tossed the case. The Senior Judge of the three judge panel Robert E. Cowen wrote in his precendential opinion (which you can read here), “We do not condone the conduct on the part of the Patriots and the team's head coach, and we likewise refrain from assessing whether the NFL's sanctions (and its alleged destruction of the videotapes themselves) were otherwise appropriate.” But the reason why Cowen and the other judges decided against Mayer was because, “At best, he [Mayer] possessed nothing more than a contractual right to a seat from which to watch an NFL game between the Jets and the Patriots, and this right was clearly honored.”

Cowen went on to write,"Mayer possessed either a license or, at best, a contractual right to enter Giants Stadium and to have a seat from which to watch a professional football game. In the clear language of the ticket stub, ‘[t]his ticket only grants entry into the stadium and a spectator seat for the specified NFL game.’ Mayer actually was allowed to enter the stadium and witnessed the ‘specified NFL game’ between the Jets and Patriots. He thereby suffered no cognizable injury to a legally protected right or interest.”

He then concluded, "We do not condone the conduct on the part of the Patriots and the team’s head coach, and we likewise refrain from assessing whether the NFL’s sanctions (and its alleged destruction of the videotapes themselves) were otherwise appropriate. We further recognize that professional football, like other professional sports, is a multi-billion dollar business. In turn, ticket-holders and other fans may have legitimate issues with the manner in which they are treated….Significantly, our ruling also does not leave Mayer and other ticket-holders without any recourse. Instead, fans could speak out against the Patriots, their coach, and the NFL itself. In fact, they could even go so far as to refuse to purchase tickets or NFL-related merchandise….However, the one thing they cannot do is bring a legal action in a court of law. [emphasis in original].”

Mayer’s lawyer, Bruce Afran, disagreed. He believed consumer fraud had occurred. He said, “(The opinion) seems to suggest that no matter how much ticket holders pay, they can be defrauded by NFL teams. And it puts the NFL on the same level as professional wrestling.”

Because there is no law outside of the loose interpretation of fraud from preventing a league from fixing its own games, Afran’s conclusion is correct. One cannot fix a sporting event for gambling purposes; that is illegal. And one cannot fix an intellectual contest for entertainment purposes; that was made illegal after the quiz show scandal of the 1950s.

But fix a sporting event for entertainment purposes? Completely legal.

What’s worse, the lawyer representing the NFL, Shepard Goldfein, actually argued in court that “fans likely would buy tickets even if they knew the Patriots were stealing signals.” In other words, the NFL realizes that much like pro wrestling, even if fans knew the football was rigged, they still pay their money to see it.
In March 2011, the Supreme Court refused to hear Mayer's appeal thereby affirming the lower court's findings.

As these two court cases prove, it is time to see the NFL in a completely different light. It is not a loosely organized group of teams fighting tooth-and-nail to beat their rivals. No, the NFL is a well-organized machine out to maximize its profits by doing everything within their power to make people consume their product: the games.

…And that includes possibly allowing fixed games to occur because sucker fans would still pay to watch them play football.

Bruh.... You're talking semantics at this point.. The NFL is entertainment based, yes. Its in the business of making money. I know people who have been apart of the league, from players to assistant coaches. There is not one part of that league that is fixed, its just about turning as much profit as possible, and all the parties involved are in the business of winning. Nothing more, nothing less
 

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Bruh.... You're talking semantics at this point.. The NFL is entertainment based, yes. Its in the business of making money. I know people who have been apart of the league, from players to assistant coaches. There is not one part of that league that is fixed, its just about turning as much profit as possible, and all the parties involved are in the business of winning. Nothing more, nothing less

no offense but those dudes are at the bottom of the foodchain. They don't know shyt about what's really going on at the top of the totem pole.
 

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With revenue sharing of of course. Cause if 1 team is over performing then all the teams win. Plus aren't pro teams 501c3 tax exempt? Bottom line Sports is a Billion dollar industry so its all about $$$$. Its all to keep the masses attention away from the real problems like economy, food crises, etc. But playoff gms are the most fixed ones


 
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no offense but those dudes are at the bottom of the foodchain. They don't know shyt about what's really going on at the top of the totem pole.

:wtf: nikka do you realize those are the people who ultimately play the game? How could the game be fixed without their knowledge? A fix involves everyone, from coaches to players. If everyone is in the business of winning, how can their be a fix?

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