Let's Be Reality: Islam Is A Problem.

[bogey_j]

I know historically christianity still has the highest body count...

but muslims the past 60 years or so have been wilin'

is there something in the quran that inspires the extremist type so damn much?

 

[DEAD7]

Let's Be Reality: Religion Is A Problem.*

 

[theworldismine13]

 

[TheDarceKnight]

I know historically christianity still has the highest body count...

but muslims the past 60 years or so have been wilin'

is there something in the quran that inspires the extremist type so damn much?

Yes, there is.

I posted this a couple of days ago.

The core problem that leads to extremism with the Quran is that it purports to be a direct transcription of the word of God, as revealed to Muhammad. It is literally God speaking directly to you, in his own voice. So there is little to no room for hedging or rationalizing away the disturbing parts of the religion, claiming that the text is marred by human fallibility, misinterpretation, etc. The document is pretty clear on this point.

Another problem is that the Quran is very clear that God used Muhammad to provide the perfect example of how a Muslim should behave. It explicitly says that the answer to any question of morality is WWMD: what would Muhammad do? If Muhammad had been a pacifist like Jesus, this would not be a problem. But he a was a conquering warlord.

This video below is a little bit anecdotal I guess, but the guy seems to make the exact opposite point of what he's aiming for.

 

[Mindfield333]

pretty sure our military has caught more random bodies overseas than any random terror attack in the states

 

[Jean Jacket]

Syntax. (cough)

Problem. (cough)




U right tho.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

Not in America

 

[BocaRear]

Was there a radical Islamist problem 60 years ago? 50? 40? No.

The problem is not within Islam, there are complex geo-political issues at work and religion is a tool used to stir emotions as a call to war. Manipulative leaders use religion to radicalise and gather support for their own political agenda.

Religion itself is neither positive or negative, it's a very personal thing and the fact that different people interpret text differently we can have politicians use that to convey support for a cause. Religion is not really the problem, people are the problem. If there was no religion, people would interpret something else negatively in order to provide legitimacy for their beliefs for example Lenin's manipulation of Marx's theory.

Do you think Muslims in general just hate the west because of ideological reasons alone?

Or does their hate stem from illegal invasions, wars and plundering of resources as well as the unwavering support for Israel and their oppressive occupation of Palestine?

Saying Islam is the problem is a very simple and lazy perspective that just furthers the "us vs them" narrative of being at war with weird strange sand people who hate the west because of our superior lifestyle and freedom

 

[TheDarceKnight]

Was there a radical Islamist problem 60 years ago? 50? 40? No.

The problem is not within Islam, there are complex geo-political issues at work and religion is a tool used to stir emotions as a call to war. Manipulative leaders use religion to radicalise and gather support for their own political agenda.

Religion itself is neither positive or negative, it's a very personal thing and the fact that different people interpret text differently we can have politicians use that to convey support for a cause. Religion is not really the problem, people are the problem. If there was no religion, people would interpret something else negatively in order to provide legitimacy for their beliefs for example Lenin's manipulation of Marx's theory.

Do you think Muslims in general just hate the west because of ideological reasons alone?

Or does their hate stem from illegal invasions, wars and plundering of resources as well as support for the unwavering support for Israel and their oppressive occupation of Palestine?

Saying Islam is the problem is a very simple and lazy perspective that just furthers the "us vs them" narrative of being at war with weird strange sand people who hate the west because of our superior lifestyle and freedom

I have a couple of things I disagree with, but there's a lot of knowledge in this post. There's been a lot the west has done to fuel fires.

 

[BocaRear]

I have a couple of things I disagree with, but there's a lot of knowledge in this post. There's been a lot the west has done to fuel fires.

I'd like to hear your opinion on this breh

 

[CACtain Planet]

I know historically christianity still has the highest body count...

but muslims the past 60 years or so have been wilin'

is there something in the quran that inspires the extremist type so damn much?

 

[theworldismine13]

Was there a radical Islamist problem 60 years ago? 50? 40? No.

The problem is not within Islam, there are complex geo-political issues at work and religion is a tool used to stir emotions as a call to war. Manipulative leaders use religion to radicalise and gather support for their own political agenda.

Religion itself is neither positive or negative, it's a very personal thing and the fact that different people interpret text differently we can have politicians use that to convey support for a cause. Religion is not really the problem, people are the problem. If there was no religion, people would interpret something else negatively in order to provide legitimacy for their beliefs for example Lenin's manipulation of Marx's theory.

Do you think Muslims in general just hate the west because of ideological reasons alone?

Or does their hate stem from illegal invasions, wars and plundering of resources as well as support for the unwavering support for Israel and their oppressive occupation of Palestine?

Saying Islam is the problem is a very simple and lazy perspective that just furthers the "us vs them" narrative of being at war with weird strange sand people who hate the west because of our superior lifestyle and freedom

Some good points but the thing is 50-60 years ago most Muslim countries were under the fist of European colonialism, before that it was the Ottoman Empire and before that it was different Islamic empires

the "peaceful" period you are referring to is just the "peace" of colonization, before colonization radical islam wasn't a world wide problem because it was confined in an unconnected pre modern world, but people that lived near Islam, would have considered "radical Islam" a problem

If you had lived in one of the many peoples and nations that were swallowed up by Islamic armies you would have considered Islam a problem

So what I am saying is that Islam has always been violent and it has always been a problem

The only counter argument is that the same things apply to Christianity

 

[TheDarceKnight]

I'd like to hear your opinion on this breh

When you say religion itself is neither a positive or negative thing, I go back and forth on that. On one hand I want to agree, and no matter what I ultimately decide, I believe everyone should have the freedom to practice whatever religion they want. If it brings spiritual and personal growth and isn't hurting anyone, go for it. But sometimes when I think from an objective point of view, I wonder if the world might be a little farther along without it. I don't know. I'm not trying to cop out.

Part of me realizes the need for religion, and that it had/has its place to bind people together and foster a sense of community in a harsh world where people need to stick together with common values in order to survive. On the other hand I wonder how much it has held back scientific progress, and I do think there's a lot of backwards thinking held by people on the extreme ends of Christianity, Islam, etc.

This is just stuff I wonder. Again I don't think anyone should be told they can't practice their religion of choice. I'll post more. Good discussion.

 

[tstone]

I know historically christianity still has the highest body count...

but muslims the past 60 years or so have been wilin'

is there something in the quran that inspires the extremist type so damn much?

I don't think you know anything about islamic history. There are three main reasons Jihadists Terrorist movements exist today.

1) Jihadist movements that the west supported 30 years ago to fight off communist regime's during the cold war.
Taliban and Al Qaida against the godless communist Afghanistan and Soviets. Now this Jihadists movements has grown to become ISIS. Israel help support Hamas at the beginning against the arab socialist dominated PLO. This is around the same time when Nelson Mandela was considered a terrorist because of his socialist leanings by the west and Osama Bin Laden a freedom fighter.
2) Destabilizing regimes we don't like such as Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, Libya and so on. People don't know but in the 60's the people of Iran elected a socialist government, but western powers overthrown it and placed the dictatorship of the Shah. 10 years later the Iranian islamic revolution occurred.
3) The west supporting a regime like Saudi Arabia that export a strict extreme version of Islam. Saudi Arabia was created after world war 1 after western powers defeated the Ottoman Empire which practice traditional islam and the Saudi considered infidels.

The muslim world is huge and diverse don't get all your information from nightly news, do some research.

 

[rapbeats]

Let's Be Reality: Humans are the Problem.*

^^corrected for accuracy
Guns arent the problem, who is? PEOPLE
Religion isnt the problem, who is? PEOPLE

not there yet?
Nuclear power came from Scientists. Were they trying to blow somebody up? NO. but someone in the military was.

Timeline of the Nuclear Age [1890s] | atomicarchive.com

^^that aint a bunch of guys trying to kill people.

lets take it a step further.

The bible does like abortion, thats for sure. But no where does it say go kill those who are giving women abortions. Now it does say God himself will deal with those that do not obey his laws and are unrepentant. yet PEOPLE take it upon themselves to "do god's work." and kill people they believe are unrepentant sinners. Sounds similar to these muslim extremist. Now i dont know what the quran says about this. perhaps it does advocate for violence from it's followers. If so, thats an issue with the religion. but again the main issue would still come from the PEOPLE who choose to practice that stage in the religion. It's always your choice what you do with your belief system(s).

No matter how you slice it. PEOPLE have to take action. a book or a preacher, imam, etc. can say whatever he/she likes. If no one is going to listen or do what that person says. IT doesnt matter what has just been said. Can people/books incite? Sure to some degree. but even then. Who has to get up out of their seat, pick up some guns, start making bombs and nonsense like that? the PEOPLE do. There's a lot of time inbetween someone getting incited and carrying out these atrocities. Yet they choose to go thru with them anyway. Sorry, i cant let them slide on "i was told to do it by my imam or by some book." naw bruh. You did that one on your own cause Youz is crazy. Dont try to cover up your crazy with sanity by saying a book or a person(group, said, etc). nope. You are crazy.

White Supremacy is that of Crazy white people. Yes there were times in history where some people were trying to get a legit mental disorder diagnosis for racist. Of course the whites in charge were not having that. because no one wants to be called crazy.

But thats exactly what you are. If you hates someone because they practice a different religion then you. You're crazy
if you hate someone because of their skin color, your crazy.
if you hate someone for any reason. you're crazy.

you cant hate the faults in a person. you can hate the sin. but you never are to hate the person. there is a huge difference between the two. I think islam is the wrong path. i want all my muslim brothas and sistas to go to heaven too. So i would tell them just that and tell them Jesus is the way and the light. only thru him can you get into the kingdom. by chance they dont agree. Fine by me. whatever happens to them and their souls in then in God's hands. I did my part. i put the gospel out there. i gave them an application to sign up for heaven. if they throw it away. thats not on me. It's not my job to force them to sign it. that goes for atheist too. its not my job to convert anyone. thats a personal experience anyway. i tell you where it is. if you choose not to go there. thats on you.

i wonder if extremist of any religion understands even if you force people to convert to your way of thinking. those people will not die and live with your creator. due to the fact that the bases of making it in is all a personal decision. not a forced one. sure they can fool some isis dudes so they wont get their heads chopped off. but you cant fool God. So then what? you're killing people to scare the rest into submission is all for not. Which tells me this aint about religion. its about YOU. the crazy person. You're just crazy, trying to come up with another excuse to do what you desire to do to people. You desire to chop off heads, rape women and children, oh and men and film it. its on you to run up in an abortion clinic and start shooting. you just want to shoot someone and not feel bad about it. sorry bruh. you're a nutcase. you always have been crazy. now you just needed an excuse to show your true crazy to world.