Remember when Termanology killed hip hop with his debut album? :snoop:

[smokeurobinson]

1. Judging ASAP Rocky based on "LSD" is a little silly. First of all, it aint even a hip hop record and secondly, Rocky rarely makes songs in that style. It's not fair to judge rappers on one-offs.

2. Substance is about depth/insight into your material of choice, not 'positive' vs 'negative'. Yes the topic of LSD is lighter than hood pain, but both tracks are surface-level. I can't think of many rap songs about LSD but just about every rapper has echoed the same sentiments Saigon says. "if Pac was here blah blah blah" Generic shyt.

Besides, do you apply your 'no selling sex and drugs' policy to your favorite rappers, or is this a fake outrage kinda thing?

1. Did I judge ASAP based on LSD or did I specifically say "For example"??






Reading comprehension homie...Use it


2. Every rapper has said the same sentiments Saigon has said? You picked that one line about Pac and then had the nerve to actually compare that to other rappers??

Notice you totally overlooked the line "Stop using Hip Hop to corrupt the block"...How many rappers are saying that??

Also.....Eminem ran rapping about LSD to the ground. U really have some nerve justifying a song about an evil drug such as LSD(trust me I know its evil from experience) while at the same time overlooking a song about not being caught up in the dumbing down of Hip HOP. Thats cuz u reaching

this has nothing to do with the quality of songs either artist releases.

Saigon isn't the first rapper to come into rap and not rap about "ill shyt." Names don't come to mind because the rappers that rely on "I aint doing that" tend not to last very long.

And even if he were, how does this make his music original? It doesn't. Originality comes down primarily to your beat selection and how you deliver your vocals. In third place, your intellectual angle (rhyme content). Saying you don't do something doesn't mean much. and has minimal effect on your intellectual angle unless you said "I don't do this, but I do this...." It's more important what you actually do and why it's interesting.

WTF are u talking about?? U asked me how is it that I based Saigon being a better artist over ASAP. That would include a variety of things other then songs. Focus on your original question. Stop going left.

nope. Goldie was much later. And that was Rocky watering himself down (getting HitBoy) to appeal to so-called hip hop heads who didn't understand Clams Casino's music.

Dude....Goldie was the first time I had ever heard ASAP on NY radio. Goldie was the song that had people mocking the fact that these New era NY artists are jacking the south. I dont care what he did prior...Dude didnt make noise in NY till Goldie, the same way that Biggie did "Party and Bullsh*t" first but didnt make noise until "Juicy."

You mean like Jay-Z?

or perhaps Killa?

or maybe even Slick Rick?

Again. Reading comprehension. Jay Z nor Killa nor Slick Rick made noise jacking southern beats. Jay blew up with "Aint no Nikka".....Killa took off with "357" and Slick Rick blew up with Children Stories" (And u reaching with that Slick Rick song u posted.....That was sad homie)

Saigon probably knew he didn't have the imagination to pull it off well, so he took "the honorable route"

That speculation wasnt well thought out or creative.

This has nothing to do with how well the music sounds.

Again, reading comprehension. U asked me how is it that I based Saigon being a better artist over ASAP. That would include a variety of things other then songs. Focus on your original question. Stop going left.

nah. Saigon is a basic ass rapper. He has never said anything that's made me flip. Neither has Rocky. So they're equal to me.

also, Saigon should worry about not being vocally ass (which is far more important). Rocky's vocal delivery is way, way ahead.

Dude...u aren't objective at all. You are one sided as hell. For christ sake I can give props where due. I'm ok with ASAP for the simple fact that he's from my old hood, Harlem and I can acknowledge the fact that ASAP knows how to put a song together here and there...But you.....all u have done is disregard Saigon based on you just wanting to win some petty argument. I dont belive you anymore. That whole "breakdown" hype u was spewing was bullsh*t. You are a troll. You aren't objective. But u are giving me something to do while I wait for my lunch break so thats why I'm currently entertaining you.

How is this related to how well the music sounds?

Again, reading comprehension. U asked me how is it that I based Saigon being a better artist over ASAP. That would include a variety of things other then songs. Focus on your original question. Stop going left.

How is this related to how well the music sounds?

Again, reading comprehension. U asked me how is it that I based Saigon being a better artist over ASAP. That would include a variety of things other then songs. Focus on your original question. Stop going left.

unmemorable releases

Yeah...who am I gonna believe....1 person who is one sided or all the magazine articles and numerous cats that say otherwise.

 

[feelosofer]

Termanology came out at a time where hip-hop was arguably at it's least lyrical and while in retrospect he wasn't the second coming of Pun (or even Cuban Link), it was refreshing at the time to hear a style that was a throwback to the prior decade, especially in the midst of all that Candyland, lollipop rap that was just so basic. I actually think he's a better rapper now he's in his 30's. But I still think his early stuff was nice to listen to if not classic.

 

[GrindtooFilthy]

Termanology came out at a time where hip-hop was arguably at it's least lyrical and while in retrospect he wasn't the second coming of Pun (or even Cuban Link), it was refreshing at the time to hear a style that was a throwback to the prior decade, especially in the midst of all that Candyland, lollipop rap that was just so basic. I actually think he's a better rapper now he's in his 30's. But I still think his early stuff was nice to listen to if not classic.

same

terms a better rapper now then back then, but leave it to op to tell it

this is the same nikka that said big krit and joey badass were worse rappers than asap rocky, i then knew i could not take op seriously

 

[EndDomination]

He made good music, just wasn't all that memorable.
He had fairly standard messages, but the shyt is still far better than "putting crack in his crack" and the endless lean-induced mumblings of the majority of hip-hop artists today, so I'll take Termanology with fantastic production over 99% of the radio today.

 

[EndDomination]

same

terms a better rapper now then back then, but leave it to op to tell it

this is the same nikka that said big krit and joey badass were worse rappers than asap rocky, i then knew i could not take op seriously

Yeah, unfortunately he's a fanboy with a lot of bad opinions that he posts with authority
There's a reason he's WOAT

 

[Art Barr]

this was one of the best songs of the decade

classic primo beat and he ripped it to shreds as a young, hungry MC

How was this a song of the decade, breh.
Termanology never had any burn, ever.
Why woud y'all waste y'all time and why is he getting a thread like he ever had next,..he never ever had next, ever.

After agallah, and his wack twelves in the mid to late nineties.
Way before the cookie monster vinyl and records.
No one should have believed anybody.
who was similar and no one should have ever had faith in agallah.

or anyone who was like him, either.

U know y'all wanted primo records to be worth a damn by then.
Yet, by that time it was pretty much dead for someone using primier.
As very few were skilled enough to carry his production.



Art Barr

 

[Edub]

Mexicans can't rap.

Right....I dapped cuz it was funny(I'm sure some Mexicans can spit tho)...but clearly this ese' wasn't cuttin it...it's crazy how real hip hop tries to front like it doesn't get diluted with business principles like image and gimmicks but then push this cat...premier had to know better I KNOW PETE ROCK knew better...this shyt is the same as Macklemore just disguised wit break beats. Go from Rakim to this brehs

 

[Edub]

How was this a song of the decade, breh.
Termanology never had any burn, ever.
Why woud y'all waste y'all time and why is he getting a thread like he ever had next,..he never ever had next, ever.

After agallah, and his wack twelves in the mid to late nineties.
Way before the cookie monster vinyl and records.
No one should have believed anybody.
who was similar and no one should have ever had faith in agallah.

or anyone who was like him, either.

U know y'all wanted primo records to be worth a damn by then.
Yet, by that time it was pretty much dead for someone using primier.
As very few were skilled enough to carry his production.



Art Barr

Well said...bravo

 

[the cac mamba]

Yeah, unfortunately he's a fanboy with a lot of bad opinions that he posts with authority
There's a reason he's WOAT

 

[the cac mamba]

How was this a song of the decade, breh.
Termanology never had any burn, ever.
Why woud y'all waste y'all time and why is he getting a thread like he ever had next,..he never ever had next, ever.

After agallah, and his wack twelves in the mid to late nineties.
Way before the cookie monster vinyl and records.
No one should have believed anybody.
who was similar and no one should have ever had faith in agallah.

or anyone who was like him, either.

U know y'all wanted primo records to be worth a damn by then.
Yet, by that time it was pretty much dead for someone using primier.
As very few were skilled enough to carry his production.



Art Barr

im around boston, and i remeber the buzz

its a classic beat, and he ripped it. its not like i named fukkin the whistle song i didnt say it was a fact either, its a regional song in a way

 

[Art Barr]

You know that sirbiatch is running out of rappers to complain about for his troll gimmick when he has to dig up the corpse of termanology.

This.

 

[Ironman]

Watch How It Go Down is fire. Classic mixtape track. Born Alone Die Alone is fire too.

Pap hopped on the remix and bodied that shyt but this beat

 

[Art Barr]

im around boston, and i remeber the buzz

its a classic beat, and he ripped it. its not like i named fukkin the whistle song i didnt say it was a fact either, its a regional song in a way

Alrightee then,......

After 03, and the slug deal and rocafella pulled the coup of emo.
By making it mainstream, and releasing Kanye.
With what we would learn was his soon to sellout contemporaries. Who wanted to be pop and blow up instead of actually defending the culture.
To the point any name we mention as a real cultural artist who made submissions in the nineties.
We literally have to look at them in the same sellout light that we do a pop rapper, culturally.
By 2005, all of rap was compromised and we all were stuck listening to mainstream pop rappers.
who pandered to the underground and we all listened to pop music in general as rap fans.
We were all trapped with people pandering to the culture from some fake means of pr, or cosign.
So, by the time termanology came around.
Only people I can see investing time were highschool kids interested in the culture and looking to pledge allegiance to the culture in full.
Except there was no real cultural outlet to appease or authenticate their interest in the culture of hiphop in ful.
Which is where all the lack of culture minded people went who are supposed to be young.
As they sat and watched sellout toy rappers who were supposed to be the cultural representatives become sellout bytches.
Where no credibility culture wise was represented.



Art Barr

 

[SirBiatch]

1. Did I judge ASAP based on LSD or did I specifically say "For example"??




Reading comprehension homie...Use it

Getting a little testy, are we? Not necessary. You can't be mad this early into your post. I don't wanna split hairs, but why would you mention an example and then say you're not judging them off that example? The whole point of providing an example is to show evidence of "this is the general scenario"

2. Every rapper has said the same sentiments Saigon has said? You picked that one line about Pac and then had the nerve to actually compare that to other rappers??

Notice you totally overlooked the line "Stop using Hip Hop to corrupt the block"...How many rappers are saying that??

Also.....Eminem ran rapping about LSD to the ground. U really have some nerve justifying a song about an evil drug such as LSD(trust me I know its evil from experience) while at the same time overlooking a song about not being caught up in the dumbing down of Hip HOP. Thats cuz u reaching

This aint Sesame Street. I'm offended by wack music. not content.

Hip hop is a rebellious artform that talks about edgy shyt. Guns, crack, pimpin, etc are evil and dudes have rapped about it 24/7. I'm not cosigning that stuff and saying that's all we need to rap about, but to be offended by content in hip hop strikes me as a little odd.

WTF are u talking about?? U asked me how is it that I based Saigon being a better artist over ASAP. That would include a variety of things other then songs. Focus on your original question. Stop going left.

My original response was very clear. Instead of finding ways to attack SirBiatch "reading comprehension... use it" and "stop going left", why not put more thought into understanding where I'm coming from and being clear about where you're coming from. With spelling mistakes minimized for clarity

Dude....Goldie was the first time I had ever heard ASAP on NY radio. Goldie was the song that had people mocking the fact that these New era NY artists are jacking the south. I dont care what he did prior...Dude didnt make noise in NY till Goldie, the same way that Biggie did "Party and Bullsh*t" first but didnt make noise until "Juicy."

Wasn't Peso on radio?

And why would you not care what he did prior, especially when it's his best work? That's fukking weird to me. You judge an artist by their best work, not when you finally caught up to them.

Again. Reading comprehension. Jay Z nor Killa nor Slick Rick made noise jacking southern beats. Jay blew up with "Aint no Nikka".....Killa took off with "357" and Slick Rick blew up with Children Stories" (And u reaching with that Slick Rick song u posted.....That was sad homie)

More testiness.

So you're splitting hairs about whether they jacked the South for their first ever single or not? Who gives a fukk? If your argument is "don't dikkride the South", that should be true in all instances. Whether they debuted yesterday or 20 years ago. Not some convenient cherry-pick.

Slick Rick, one of hip hop's most legendary rappers, came out of hiatus on a Jazze Pha beat.

Again, reading comprehension. U asked me how is it that I based Saigon being a better artist over ASAP. That would include a variety of things other then songs. Focus on your original question. Stop going left.

repeated testiness aside, judging who's the better artist is 100% about the quality of their songs (recording and live). How else are you supposed to judge them?

Your mind is focused on stupid shyt like "gang affiliation". nikka, who gives a fukk!? Is that really how you judge music? You're not a child. Don't waste your time on nikkas' narratives. Listen to the damn song.

Dude...u aren't objective at all. You are one sided as hell. For christ sake I can give props where due. I'm ok with ASAP for the simple fact that he's from my old hood, Harlem and I can acknowledge the fact that ASAP knows how to put a song together here and there

But you're the objective one?

Who cares if Rocky is from your old hood? That's the simple reason you can fukk with him? Again, you're bringing up shyt that has nothing to do with the quality of a rapper's songs.

...But you.....all u have done is disregard Saigon based on you just wanting to win some petty argument. I dont belive you anymore. That whole "breakdown" hype u was spewing was bullsh*t. You are a troll. You aren't objective. But u are giving me something to do while I wait for my lunch break so thats why I'm currently entertaining you.

Right....

This is the part where nikkas like you start to break down in tears. Half your response is focused on me, rather than Saigon vs Rocky. Look at my original comment. How often did I mention you or try to belittle you? Never? I'm getting at you now because you're being emotional. It's not that deep.

Again, reading comprehension. U asked me how is it that I based Saigon being a better artist over ASAP. That would include a variety of things other then songs. Focus on your original question. Stop going left.

Again, reading comprehension. U asked me how is it that I based Saigon being a better artist over ASAP. That would include a variety of things other then songs. Focus on your original question. Stop going left.

parrot talk

This nikka really copied and pasted the same sentences with the same spelling mistake

Yeah...who am I gonna believe....1 person who is one sided or all the magazine articles and numerous cats that say otherwise.

So you're a follower? Oh.... makes sense.

Let's keep it 100. No one, meaning hip hop listeners at large, gives a fukk about Saigon. Your friends on the block who care about Saigon are still considered "no one". I'm so sorry you didn't get the memo. Step outside your block and you'll realize that, in the grand scheme of things, Saigon has had zero impact on hip hop. Considering the hype and the cosigns, that's fukking pitiful. Nothing he's released has influenced the art of this rap shyt. No one's gonna look back on his albums and say, "man that song was " He's not even a blip on the radar.

You can talk all that biased yada yada yada but you know this yourself. Which is why you're being defensive. You're a fan of his story and his image. Just like a tween is a fan of Drake's story and his image. But the music itself.....different story.

Waste time defending mediocre-to-wack rap artists then hate on smarter, more creative rappers on some fake-outrage shyt, brehs. Live.Love.ASAP shyts on Saigon's entire discog.

I look forward to you being mute or deflecting on some simp shyt.

 

[SirBiatch]

You know that sirbiatch is running out of rappers to complain about for his troll gimmick when he has to dig up the corpse of termanology.

you know Prodigal Syndicate is a stan when he always finds his way into a thread of a guy he thinks is a "troll" yet has nothing to add to the convo.

Kinda like a troll