Should Afro Latinos and their achievements be included in Black History Month?

[IllmaticDelta]

I repped him for his post. I can see how rap evolved but hiphop culture started in the Bronx and with Jamaicans toasting with traveling sound systems

 

[skeetsinternal]

I aint never seen them zoot suit harmonizing nikkas honored at any hiphop award show. I'll go back and comb through your post and start up the debate again

 

[Kamikaze Revy]

I'll tell you in spanish:


No

 

[Big Skilly Films]

. NO African American was doing the shyt DJ cool herc was doing back in the Bronx. Wtf you talking about

fukking moron

 

[BigMan]

I aint never seen them zoot suit harmonizing nikkas honored at any hiphop award show. I'll go back and comb through your post and start up the debate again

Dancehall and hip hop developed concurrently

 

[skeetsinternal]

fukking moron

So who was doing it like Herc?

 

[skeetsinternal]

Dancehall and hip hop developed concurrently

 

[Big Skilly Films]

So who was doing it like Herc?

learn your history bytch...

 

[Caprisun]

So who was doing it like Herc?

DJ Herc said he heard Melle mel & Creole do it first

 

[BigMan]

Rapping and toasting have the same roots
Disco culture was big in New York
Kool herc said his crowds didn't like the Jamaican music he played so he switched to American music
Jamaican influence in hip hop came in the 80s

 

[IllmaticDelta]

I aint never seen them zoot suit harmonizing nikkas honored at any hiphop award show. I'll go back and comb through your post and start up the debate again

IDK what you're talking about but I'll leave this











REMEMBER DISCO KING MARIO
Davey D

This Saturday [August 18th 2001] Hip Hop's pioneers will be coming out in full force to pay tribute to the memory of one of its legendary DJs who passed away a few years back-Disco King Mario. We often hear about the achievements of people like Bambaataa, Kool Herc and Grandmaster Flash, but very little is said about some of the other pioneers who also laid down much of the foundation we now call Hip Hop. Cats like Pete DJ Jones, Grand Wizard Theodore, the late DJ Flowers and of course Mario were key architects.

Disco King Mario never released no records. He didn't produce no major rap stars. I'm not even sure if he ever toured around the world once Hip Hop became known world wide. However, for those of us who were around back in the beginning days of the 70s, Disco King Mario who lived upstairs from my man DJ Paradise of X-Clan over in the Bronxdale Housing projects, was a household name. He was known for throwing some of Hip Hop's best jams and keeping the party going. He was staple in early Hip Hop whose name and his crew Chuck Chuck City was mentioned on many of the early tapes. One of Mario's unwritten contributions was how he gave

Afrika Bambaattaa a helping hand. He used loan Bam his dj equipment. Later on Bam would face Mario in his first official DJ battle. Back in the early days it was Disco King Mario who was at the top of heap and the man to beat


Today its hard for people to understand the significance of the DJ. When Hip Hop first began it wasn't the rapper who was in charge. It was the DJ. It was the DJ came to symbolized the African drummer. It was the DJ who kept the pace and set the tone. It was the DJ who rocked the crowd and was the supreme personality who garnered the spot light. Everyone else including the rappers were secondary. Cats from all over came to your party based upon who was deejaying. Hence when Disco King Mario's name was mentioned cats came from all over because he was the man. He was the type of cat who simply had that magic and command of the crowd. Sadly he passed away before his time, unknown to many of today's bling bling artists who benefit from the culture he helped laid down.

If you happen to be in New York, you may see a flyer being circulated around that is reminiscent of the old school flyers from back in the days. 'By Popular demand DJ Cool Clyde, Lightnin Lance, The Nasty Cuzins, Quiet Az Kept Present their first annual Old School Reunion & Picnic'. It lets you know that the celebration for Disco King Mario is taking place Saturday August 18th at Rosedale 'Big Park' in the Bronx. The Big Park itself is legendary. When I was a kid living on Croes Avenue, we were absolutely forbidden to go across the street to the Big Park. That was because the Big Park was where many of many of the early Black Spades used to hang out. The Spades at that time were the largest and most notorious gang at that time. They eventually evolved to become The Mighty Zulu Nation. As for the Big Park, it eventually became the place where Disco King Mario would eventually throw many of his early gigs.

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[IllmaticDelta]

How so...no one has provided me links or information on this so called lie.

there are numerous threads with links to debunk your POV

MC-ing/DJ-ing derived from the Jamaican DJ form of Toasting.

no it didn't

american mcing-rapping came from afram/oral practices and traditions that we have audio proof of going back to the 1920s




Grandmaster Flash on Herc:

"His style was basically freelance talking"



and HipHop djing came from Disco djing. Repost

As far as djing, I never heard of any Jamaican DJ doing backspins, cutting, blends, scratches, chops,etc. All they do is slam records, and literally start the record over. I'm not dissing them because they do those things well but that is nothing like turntablism that we do in the states. These things should be mentioned when people say Jamaica was the home of the creation of hip hop.

I don't how anyone could look at the sound system turntable operators and think HipHop djing came from that considering they didn't even use 2 turntables and a mixer for continuous mixing. That came straight from Disco.

Although Herc was known for letting records play before and beyond their breaks (sometimes, to the consternation of some observers, including the “wack” or undesirable parts, or all the way to the end of a track), perhaps his most lasting legacy is the practice of isolating and extending these breakbeats, transforming the fleeting, funky moments into loops that could last for many minutes. Eventually, by employing two turntables and two copies of a record, Herc developed what he called the “Merry-Go-Round” technique. Dropping the needle back to the beginning of the break on one record just as the other was about to end, and repeating the process ad infinitum, Herc could keep a break — and a crowd of b-boys — breaking for as long as that particular section would work. Though the hip-hop story has enshrined Herc as the first to isolate and repeat breakbeats in this way, it should be noted that Herc’s technical proficiency was never exactly heralded, and so his focus on and liberation of the break should perhaps be understood more as an aesthetic than a technical achievement. Later DJs, such as Grandmaster Flash, influenced by Herc’s model but more virtuosic in their control over the turntables and mixer, would improve on the formula, moving beyond drop-the-needle imprecision by backspinning, scratching, and cutting the records while cueing them via monitoring headphones, thus allowing one to mix breaks more seamlessly into one another and to isolate shorter and shorter sections for repetition.

As an element of style, Herc’s less-than-seamless, stop-and-start approach to selection draws yet another connection to reggae performance practice. Whereas hip-hop DJing — partly related to its roots in disco and the club scene — has since developed in a manner that privileges smooth, beat-matched transitions between tracks, reggae selecting has remained a style more defined by stark cuts and mixes. This is often the case even when a selector is “juggling,” or mixing sequentially, several songs on the same underlying riddim: when a popular song receives requests for a “pull up,” the selector rewinds it, usually suddenly and audibly, and lets it play again. Reggae-style selecting arises partly out of the constraints of using a single turntable

Herc tried to the Disco Djing style but he never caught on. Disco djing is where Herc got the idea to use 2 copies of the same record with 2 turntables. They never did that in Jamaican sound system culture. For example

This video is a good example of the transition from pure Disco Djing to HipHop djing before the scratching and other tricks came in. This is like playing the break parts but with smooth disco djing skills.




This is a great example when it fully came into it's own and added new ideas such as back spinning and scratching





You will not find anything like this in the Jamaican Sound system operators because it relates more to Disco

NO African American was doing the shyt DJ cool herc was doing back in the Bronx. Wtf you talking about

Herc by all accounts, couldn't even DJhe just played records

 

[skeetsinternal]

there are numerous threads with links to debunk your POV



no it didn't

american mcing-rapping came from afram/oral practices and traditions that we have audio proof of going back to the 1920s




Grandmaster Flash on Herc:

"His style was basically freelance talking"



and HipHop djing came from Disco djing. Repost




I don't how anyone could look at the sound system turntable operators and think HipHop djing came from that considering they didn't even use 2 turntables and a mixer for continuous mixing. That came straight from Disco.





Herc tried to the Disco Djing style but he never caught on. Disco djing is where Herc got the idea to use 2 copies of the same record with 2 turntables. They never did that in Jamaican sound system culture. For example

This video is a good example of the transition from pure Disco Djing to HipHop djing before the scratching and other tricks came in. This is like playing the break parts but with smooth disco djing skills.




This is a great example when it fully came into it's own and added new ideas such as back spinning and scratching





You will not find anything like this in the Jamaican Sound system operators because it relates more to Disco

















Herc by all accounts, couldn't even DJhe just played records

I'll debate you in that other thread ...don't have the time now cuz Im dealing with getting this p*ssy smell off me

 

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I aint never seen them zoot suit harmonizing nikkas honored at any hiphop award show. I'll go back and comb through your post and start up the debate again

Stop the nonsense. Black people have been toast since slavery. Hustlers convention and Iceberg slim album had more of an effect on hip hop than Jamaican culture by and large.

 

[You Win Perfect]

How so...no one has provided me links or information on this so called lie. MC-ing/DJ-ing derived from the Jamaican DJ form of Toasting. NO African American was doing the shyt DJ cool herc was doing back in the Bronx. Wtf you talking about

they mad cuz blacks are the originators