Discussion in 'The Ring' started by ChocolateGiddyUp, Jan 17, 2017.
he was a linebacker..all those cats are strong as shyt
Them old bad Matthysse memories got you in your feelings friend??
I NEVER downplayed Lucas W over PED...I've went H2H with @Newzz telling him that Matthysse W over PED was > any W AB has/had....So try again muhfukker
PED was scared af of the boogie man... that takes nothing away from the Matthysse W...that gives Fetty Wap props to the menace he was Until Swift Broke his face N your Heart
As far as excuse go... PED had a Drs note N he blew up 25+ pounds in 24 hrs While having A++++ stamina...let that be Chavez Jr N you'd be
But despite those Advantages the Champ of the World got the W N stayed on top like toupee...what a resilient Champ
This dude... (Danny)
Rewatch Pederson vs Garcia last 4 rounds if you wanna see someone getting bullied
Peterson who is a small welter.
Physical warfare is not Thurman's best asset but it's not like he would be terrible at it either. In order to force him to fight like that you will need faster feets than what Swift has. Dude is one of the slowest top guys in the sport, period, he relies on well timed counters that's why he keeps struggling when somebody uses lateral movement and works from the outside.
Thurman will probably need more than throwing 1-2s from outside all night but it's not like Danny would immediately counter and KO anyone who fights with him a little so no problem.
fukk outta here with your Alternative facts
PED didn't bully shyt for 4 rds get all the way the fukk outta here with that bullshyt
PED a small Welterweight...but blew up 165+ on fight night
How many current Welters are 165 on fight night friend??
Matter fact show me One Time Thurman was close to 165 on fight night
Last time I remember someone being bigger than PED on the night of a fight was Victor Ortiz.
PED is usually the heavier bigger guy in his match ups and that includes the Swift fight.
5'9...73" reach... 165 on fight night
Spence or Brook only ones who Might...Maybe could blow up bigger...N that's 165 on a 143 catchweight
We are talking about a fighter who competed in 140-144 until recently he just stepped up into 147, Thurman on the other hand counts as a bigger sized welter and this is his natural weight.
Brook, Spence, Porter... all are bigger than Ped and yes Thurman is likely too. Also being a small/big any weight isn't only depends on how much you weigh on fight night but how much you got used to the certain weight.
Same fight night weight logic was used when people tried to argue that Brook is a natural mw when he fought GGG. We all knew that it means shyt
Peterson was big at 140 he is at best an average ww but again he just stepped up.
And Danny wasn't bullied? He got so tired in the chasing first half of the fight that he breathed through his a$$hole. He couldn't even take advantage in what he likes the best, when Peterson went at him. I was even surprised that Danny is THAT gassed.
That fight is controversial till this day and it is because Peterson won his rounds more clearly and arguably even won more than Danny.
you know its funny..even featherfisted tim bradley was able to KD peterson but swift couldn't
Did I say Danny wasn't bullied?? or did I say Danny wasnt bullied for the last 4 rds ??
Saw the fight at Barclay's... saw the fight plenty of times after... There was no bullying in Rds 8,9,10
N I much rather be bullied by PED weighing 165 then washed up ass Ghost
Idiots said Brook was a natural Middleweight this isn't that stop reaching￼
In the ring Brook vs GGG there was a huge size difference
Put 5'9 73" reach 165 PED in the ring against any current Welterweight N NOBODY says "that's a small welter" like you claimed...there's no size difference
Well see how Big **pause** PED looks on Saturday... That "small" welter goin be weighing 170
Fun fact: this is only the 3rd unification fight between 2 undefeated Welterweight champions in boxing history. The other 2...
1985 - Donald Curry vs Milton McCrory
1999 - DLH vs Trinidad
This fight is history in the making
I also learned this is the first title unification attempt airing on national TV..since Terry Norris-Paul Vaden with the 154 belts back in 1995....shyt gave me the face for a min because I remember watching that damn fight live
history of attempted WW unifications
PED got more aggressive in the 2nd half of the fight, but the bullying of Swift ain't really happen until the 11th and 12th Rd.
I didn't really see Ghost bully Thurman like that. I saw a nikka grow a heart against a tired puncher and he decided to step it up when he knew the firepower calmed down a bit. Before that, Ghost was looking like he was finna get stopped.
Now Chaves bullied Thurman for like the 1st half of that fight. No doubt.
The thing with Thurman is he has that skittish style where he just moves around and runs you into big shots, he'll give up ground a lot similar to Freitas, but not as wild.
Thurman got tired against Ghost after he shot his load trying to finish him at the end of the knockdown round. Definitely a rookie mistake which he hasn't done since.
I recently watched the Thurman/Chaves fight again & have to disagree with you bro. That fight for the most part was fought in the center of the ring without too many clinches. It was a nip & tuck fight till Thurman started to pull away & his power took over. It was a great fight too.
I can see where your coming from with Thurman/Chaves. Chaves didn't bully dude on some constantly have him on the ropes type shyt, but he consistently stayed within his range and got off shots more than he should have in the 1st half of that fight. Thurman really couldn't back him up or get away from that nikka and the discomfort it caused was noticeable. Bully was prolly too strong a word, but Chaves definitely did the imposing early on in that fight. Thurman power boxed through it and his higher skill and talent level eventually prevailed.
As for Ghost/Thurman, Keith definitely shot his load from beating that nikkas ass for 80% of the fight and got tired, but he still slugged it out with Robert at the end so I wouldn't say he got bullied in that fight, that's why I said Ghost knew some of the danger was gone and stepped it up. I think that shyt ruined him though. His punch resistance dropped and he could never muster that fire again. Reminded me of Taylor vs Ouma in that regard.
A lot of times we look at bullying as someone coming forward and getting theres, but to me it comes down to who's landing the higher quality shots over the long haul, and Thurman's primary style is to give ground and run you into bombs so he gives off this scary vibe because you think you're getting to him when in reality you're doing what he wants.
If I had to come up with a strategy to fight Thurman (depending on the type of boxer I had) I'd approach him either by
1. Using his own style against him. Taking steps back, lateral movement, making him lead and run him into something. Get off first, neutralize his offense by stifling his timing. I could only see Floyd or Brook being able to implement that. Floyd being the favorite of course and Brook being equal.
2. Swarming pressure approach, Porter could do it, but he didn't jab his way in nor move his head. This nikka was reckless as fukk just throwing himself into punches just to land his. Prime Pac would be able to do that better. Chino had the power and aggression to attempt it, but he'd get eaten alive eventually if he didn't land a monster shot. Someone like a Pryor or GGG could. Margarito would have a shot too.
I honestly think you'd have to be great at either one of those approaches to beat Thurman clean.
Prolific posting my ring bruh