The Coli Where we rank Kyle Lowry over Jason Kidd.. Scust @malta

[AJtheOne]

He did not say that

really?

And we got a few people who agree wit him negs might need to be handed out

 

[AJtheOne]

@Tunez you see this

 

[Thegospel]

 

[scarhead]

Hell no..

See this is what happens when you're TOO high on today's NBA. Doing the same shyt old heads do with Curry except in reverse

This × 1000

 

[SchoolboyC]

Malta's the breh but I don't agree however...

Cp3
Curry
Westbrook
Lillard
Rondo
Bledsoe

Its between him Mike Conley & jrue holiday

Rondo's not even a top 5 PG in his division, let alone in the conference

That chunky chucker isn't a top 5 PG in the East...

Please do humor me and name the 5 PG's better

 

[Primetime21]

I've yet to see the post

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Prime Kidd was flawed but he worked around his flaw. It was not like Dwight insisting on getting the ball in the post when he can't score effectively in the post. Kidd couldn't shoot so he didn't..

And because he couldn't and wouldn't shoot he was a detriment to his team's offense. Those Nets squads and the East in general existed only through defense and effort (hand in hand here) - it was why those Nets teams made it to two Finals, because their defense was that good for that time. Not because of their offense or how Kidd made his teammates better, because those things didn't exist.

Despite this handicap. his teams ran a fluid offense based on Kidd's incredible court vision and passing. The raptors? Their offense is a series of isolation plays with a few picks thrown in.

You aren't alone here, because this is a problem a lot of people have when discussing his skillset and what impact he had despite not being able to score efficiently (and not being a threat to do so) - they tend to overcompensate by inflating his strengths for what he lacked in other areas, failing to realize that what he lacked influenced the game more than what he brought to it. Case in point -

2001/02 Nets - 17th ranked offfense (Kidd averaged 37 minutes)
2002/03 Nets - 18th ranked offense (Kidd averaged 37 minutes)
2003/04 Nets - 25th ranked offense (Kidd averaged 36 minutes)
2004/05 Nets - 26th ranked offense (Kidd averaged 36 minutes)
2005/06 Nets - 25th ranked offense (Kidd averaged 37 minutes)
2006/07 Nets - 16th ranked offense (Kidd averaged 36 minutes)
2007/08 Nets - 25th ranked offense (Kidd averaged 36 minutes)

He didn't run a fluid offense in NJ, quite the opposite actually. And it doesn't take long when going over the tape to see why those Nets teams struggled offensively. Whereas conversely Lowry has orchestrated a top-5 offense for the last two seasons (top-10 the season prior). Even if you're one to marginalize the Raptors offense to a series of iso plays and a few picks thrown in, it was still 10000x better than what those Nets teams were running.

Lowry has a better jump shot than prime kidd, absolutely. Adonal Foyle had a better jump shot than prime Kidd. But I don't think Lowry has as much impact on the offensive end as prime kidd.

This season Lowry had more offensive impact than Kidd ever did, and he didn't need to dominate the ball to do so.

Understand, i was not a fan of Kidd. He's not overrated modernly like AI but claiming Lowry NOW is better than prime Kidd is tough to swallow.

He's actually more overrated than AI. A lot more.

 

[Thegospel]

That pass at 2:02

 

[cKondomsucK6]

gawd this is so much better than teams jacking up 25 3's a game

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

U are a good poster, but u are garbage as fukk when the convo is about somebody u are dikkriding. shyt is straight up status. I can see why nikkas be on your head on here. Straight garbage ass stanning for nikkas u whip out the pom poms for. fukk outta here with EVERYTHING concerning this topic. Lowry better than Kids ever was . fukkin retarded

I'm not dikkriding anybody, and it's funny you brought this up since I was the biggest Kidd stan when I was younger and would regularly go to Nets games. I really couldn't give a fukk about Lowry either way, this is about the only season where he's actually proved himself to be a top PG, because the rest of his career he's been pretty lackluster and forgettable. Perhaps you need to open your mind up a bit more.....

 

[Goatpoacher]

And because he couldn't and wouldn't shoot he was a detriment to his team's offense. Those Nets squads and the East in general existed only through defense and effort (hand in hand here) - it was why those Nets teams made it to two Finals, because their defense was that good for that time. Not because of their offense or how Kidd made his teammates better, because those things didn't exist.



You aren't alone here, because this is a problem a lot of people have when discussing his skillset and what impact he had despite not being able to score efficiently (and not being a threat to do so) - they tend to overcompensate by inflating his strengths for what he lacked in other areas, failing to realize that what he lacked influenced the game more than what he brought to it. Case in point -

2001/02 Nets - 17th ranked offfense (Kidd averaged 37 minutes)
2002/03 Nets - 18th ranked offense (Kidd averaged 37 minutes)
2003/04 Nets - 25th ranked offense (Kidd averaged 36 minutes)
2004/05 Nets - 26th ranked offense (Kidd averaged 36 minutes)
2005/06 Nets - 25th ranked offense (Kidd averaged 37 minutes)
2006/07 Nets - 16th ranked offense (Kidd averaged 36 minutes)
2007/08 Nets - 25th ranked offense (Kidd averaged 36 minutes)

He didn't run a fluid offense in NJ, quite the opposite actually. And it doesn't take long when going over the tape to see why those Nets teams struggled offensively. Whereas conversely Lowry has orchestrated a top-5 offense for the last two seasons (top-10 the season prior). Even if you're one to marginalize the Raptors offense to a series of iso plays and a few picks thrown in, it was still 10000x better than what those Nets teams were running.


This season Lowry had more offensive impact than Kidd ever did, and he didn't need to dominate the ball to do so.

He's actually more overrated than AI. A lot more.

Lowry is "orchestrating" an offense? Dude barely seems to be able to orchestrate his feet in the post season. He's not playing like a point guard. Kidd actually ran the offense, finding people in the right spots. I was very critical of Kidd back then, and on sohh, he was called 'Ason kidd for a reason, cause the only J he ever hit was his then wife. But in terms of pure skill, i ACTUALLY observed his historically great passing. Lowry is closer to James Harden in terms of his post season performance in most games.

Please provide links to your stated information, forthwith. This should be interesting :jjjjj:

 

[smitty22]

Think this was the post op refering but i dont no the context of it

I'd rather have Lowry than Ason Kidd.

I'd rather have Jonas than Kenyon.

I'd rather have Demar than Richard Jefferson.

I'd rather have Biyombo than MaCculloch

I'd rather have Patterson than Rogers

I'd rather have Joseph than Lucious Harris

I'd rather have Demarre Carroll than Keith Van Horn

The only advantage the Nets had was Kittles, and he wasn't winning you any cot damn series.


Yall dudes gotta stop it, the Nets were the 2nd seed with a 49-33 record, and you all have the nerve to criticize the East now? Those Nets teams were pure trash, it would be like the Pacers making it to the finals now.

 

[god shamgod]

I've yet to see the post

I'd rather have Lowry than Ason Kidd.

 

[cKondomsucK6]

I've yet to see the post

its in the reports r worst ecf finals thread like last page

 

[I.AM.PIFF]

Cp3
Curry
Westbrook
Lillard
Rondo
Bledsoe

Its between him Mike Conley & jrue holiday