Was Atlanta influenced by the West Coast in the early 1990's

[Pit Bull]

Outkast to me was the first act that was uniquely southern outside of that bass shyt. That P Funk tho is some east coast shyt. George Clinton is from NJ. Plus east coast producers like Erick Sermon were the first ones sampling that real heavy

8 ball and mjg coming out hard came out in 93 and that album sounded nothing like the west coast. It was straight Memphis shyt from front to back. Outkast first album came out in 94. Ball and G ain't start sounding like they was from Texas, which in turn sounded like the west coast until later on.

 

[BmoreGorilla]

8 ball and mjg coming out hard came out in 93 and that album sounded nothing like the west coast. It was straight Memphis shyt from front to back. Outkast first album came out in 94. Ball and G ain't start sounding like they was from Texas, which in turn sounded like the west coast until later on.

Comin Out Hard is one of my favorite albums. It definitely sounded west coast. Matter fact everything on Suave House and Rap A Lot sounded west coast in the early 90s. Did they sound a little more southern than west coast acts? Sure. But it didn't sound much different than what you might hear from Above the Law

 

[Pit Bull]

All I know is that Miami has the most unique sounding hip hop due to the Bahamian influence.

You also said itt that early hip Hop was influenced by Caribbean music but it's not.

So I have to look at this claim about Miami Bass descending from the Bahamas as funny in the light as well.

That ain't the type of Bass I grew up on.

There's different sides to Bass music

 

[Biscayne]

You also said itt that early hip Hop was influenced by Caribbean music but it's not.

So I have to look at this claim about Miami Bass descending from the Bahamas as funny in the light as well.

That ain't the type of Bass I grew up on.

There's different sides to Bass music

I didn't say all of Miami bass came from the Bahamians, different earlier versions did. Uncle Luke even said that some of the early bass music that he did, they would use instruments from the Caribbean to make certain beats. Luke is Bahamian and Jamaican i believe. That 90's bass was strictly AA hip hop though. But the song that I posted had clear bahamian influence. Some of those 00 Florida dance songs had that carib influence. Like Beam Ah.

 

[Whogivesafuck]

“Lowriders were invented here in El Paso. Don’t let anybody tell you different,” Hector Gonzalez said. (Wikipedia, for instance, credits Southern California.) Hector is president of the Lincoln Park Conservation Committee, the people responsible for maintaining the park and murals under the Spaghetti Bowl.
http://whatsuppub.com/features/local_news/article_e485c2cd-9e0c-5ec6-a746-fbfb3e7a9da4.html:shaq:

I read that before. This article comes from a local el paso newspaper. Hector Gonzales doesn't offer any evidence to support that it started in El Paso. As I said before lowriders were the alternatives to the rake, Which was called the California rake where white boys would lower the front end of there car like this.

excerpt from lowrider history pride culture

"Rather than the fast looking “California rake,” these young pachucos would drop the back of the car for a sleek, mean look that turned everyone’s head. "



Mexican choose to lower the back of there car and call it a East LA rake,are a "Ranflo" which is a spanglish term for rake.

 

[Whogivesafuck]

Comin Out Hard is one of my favorite albums. It definitely sounded west coast. Matter fact everything on Suave House and Rap A Lot sounded west coast in the early 90s. Did they sound a little more southern than west coast acts? Sure. But it didn't sound much different than what you might hear from Above the Law

Skinny Pimp talking about MC Ren and Donna street crips from Las Vegas influencing his flow

27:27

 

[Pit Bull]

Comin Out Hard is one of my favorite albums. It definitely sounded west coast. Matter fact everything on Suave House and Rap A Lot sounded west coast in the early 90s. Did they sound a little more southern than west coast acts? Sure. But it didn't sound much different than what you might hear from Above the Law

Nah cuz, do you even know what Memphis rap sounds or sounded like.

Coming out hard is the epitome of the early 90s Memphis gangsta walk sound. Just went back and gave it a quick listen and I hear no west coast sound in that album as far as production goes. It sounds nothing like Above the Law or any G Funk. Now lyrics or slang you might hear some west coast talk in there somewhere. That album is southern to the bone front to back.

 

[Pit Bull]

no one will listen but too short started trap music. dope fiend beat, freaky tales

If that's the case then Schooly D and Ice T invented Drill rap. My dawg there's more to Trap music than just rapping about selling dope.

 

[Pit Bull]

Skinny Pimp talking about MC Ren and Donna street crips from Las Vegas influencing his flow

27:27

I always figured it was Ren, Spice 1, or Lynch Hung that influenced that flow. Them nikkas was chopping shyt up early.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Dude you don't know what you are talking about, Parliament were not doing any funk records at all until they came into contact with certain bands. They were originally aduwop group.When they met up with with acts like Jimi Hendrix and Sly Stone , went westward to Detroit to get schooled by funk bands performers,(henceforth the name westbound on their label), and came into contact with hippie drugs like Speed and LSD henceforth the name Psychedelic (which is what Funkadelic is play on) they switched their act up.

again, this is why I clearly stated

"those groups were not doing what Pfunk were doing in totality even though Clinton was influenced by Sly Stone, they only had foundational concepts of funk in common"

You got to understand original funk artists were heavy into Rock N Roll.

of course....any blues-based band at that time was going to have rockist influences

You can see this with bands like the Barkays.As I said only reason Parliament/Funkadelic was because they recruited talent like Maceo Parker who played in James Brown's band, Walter Junie Morrison who played with the Ohio Players,Dawn Silva and Lynn Mabry a former Sly And Stone member who got down with the P Funk All Stars later on,Catfish Collins & Bootsy Collins of Bootsy's Rubber Band,and Fred Wesley who used to play with James Brown.

again, what they had in common was funk foundations which are horn sections, funky drumming, heavy bass and bluer-rock + funky guitars

As was said Funk before ,many original funk artists were very much intertwined with Rock N Roll. George Clinton did not craft P Funk.

/soul-funk + rock alone does not equal p-funk's sound. Compare

sly stone




hendrix/band of gypsys




ohio players



mandrill




vs

...............none of that is the P-Funk sound. The biggest difference is the spacey synth sounds and the huge Sun-Ra influence




along with foundational aspects




Musical elements that characterize the P-Funk style include:

• spacey synthesizer melodies and washes provided by keyboardist Bernie Worrell and others
• classically trained and blues/jazz piano style of Bernie Worrell
• prominent, squelching electric bass lines provided by Bootsy Collins or performed in his style
• jazzy, insouciant horn section arrangements performed by The Horny Horns
• raucous glee club-type group vocals on songs' choruses alternating with sung or spoken vocals on the verses
• a mixture of funk and rock guitar styles, the latter being more prominent on Funkadelic's recordings
• steady, relatively unobtrusive drumming with few or no drum solos/drum breaks
• lyrics devoted to exposition of the P-Funk mythology, sex and drug-related humor, and sociopolitical satire often in the context of a concept album
• sophisticated use of multitrack recording technology and studio effects by producer George Clinton
• a more "live band" sound with little of the mechanistic precision of disco and post-disco dance forms[4]

 

[IllmaticDelta]

"... rather bright complexion, but not a mulatto..."

So Nat Turner was a light skin nikka?

na...sounds like he was medium/caramel like a chingy/nas type

 

[Sensei]

again, this is why I clearly stated

"those groups were not doing what Pfunk were doing in totality even though Clinton was influenced by Sly Stone, they only had foundational concepts of funk in common"





of course....any blues-based band at that time was going to have rockist influences





again, what they had in common was funk foundations which are horn sections, funky drumming, heavy bass and bluer-rock + funky guitars



/soul-funk + rock alone does not equal p-funk's sound. Compare

sly stone




hendrix/band of gypsys




ohio players



mandrill




vs

...............none of that is the P-Funk sound. The biggest difference is the spacey synth sounds and the huige Sun-Ra influence




along with foundational aspects




Musical elements that characterize the P-Funk style include:

• spacey synthesizer melodies and washes provided by keyboardist Bernie Worrell and others
• classically trained and blues/jazz piano style of Bernie Worrell
• prominent, squelching electric bass lines provided by Bootsy Collins or performed in his style
• jazzy, insouciant horn section arrangements performed by The Horny Horns
• raucous glee club-type group vocals on songs' choruses alternating with sung or spoken vocals on the verses
• a mixture of funk and rock guitar styles, the latter being more prominent on Funkadelic's recordings
• steady, relatively unobtrusive drumming with few or no drum solos/drum breaks
• lyrics devoted to exposition of the P-Funk mythology, sex and drug-related humor, and sociopolitical satire often in the context of a concept album
• sophisticated use of multitrack recording technology and studio effects by producer George Clinton
• a more "live band" sound with little of the mechanistic precision of disco and post-disco dance forms[4]

As I said Parliaments were duwop group they didn't even make funk music until they came into contact with people like Bootsy and Jimi Hendrix. Just because the example of Jimi Hendrix and Sly Stone don't correlate to the begginings of what Funkadelic was influenced by doesn't mean they weren't influenced by them .LOL you think George Clinton were the first to do the spacey sythesizer you're dead wrong,and you're example pretty much stated Bootsy was the key player in Funkadelic's bass.

 

[BigMan]

yall put some respect on the Queen City NJ name thats one of my second homes we claiming P Funk

 

[IllmaticDelta]

As I said Parliaments were duwop group they didn't even make funk music until they came into contact with people like Bootsy and Jimi Hendrix. Just because the example of Jimi Hendrix and Sly Stone don't correlate to the begginings of what Funkadelic was influenced by doesn't mean they weren't influenced by them

there is reason none of those groups sound like p-funk

.LOL you think George Clinton were the first to do the spacey sythesizer you're dead wrong,

it' sthe combination of things along with the sun ra influence that made everything stand out like no other group

and you're example pretty much stated Bootsy was the key player in Funkadelic's bass.

bootsy bass sound in pfunk was based on clintons sonic vision

 

[Amor fati]

I love bumping to these