Was Atlanta influenced by the West Coast in the early 1990's

[IllmaticDelta]

Every region of America does, we all come from the south ultimately.

while true, the south and west coast are more alike than either are to the north east

 

[IllmaticDelta]

My comment was Bone dissed Memphis and Chi town claming they were biting their style.

And NYC and Chicago are similar in how they were built but culturally black people in Chicago are damn near country while NYC (idk maybe due to being less segregated?) blacks had a different swag compared to west coast and southern blacks.

Someone more well versed like @IllmaticDelta can maybe elaborate better but outside of the initial people migrating out of the south NYCers rode that “big city” thing harder compared to say black folls who migrated to Chicago, Detroit, or the West Coast.

I would say the differences probably sparked around when hip hop started? Maybe disco? But I’d argue nyc being the night life mecca in the 70s-80s is what created them being so distinctly different. While east coast cats were listening to hip hop everyone else was probably still on disco,funk, etc.

they started during the 1920/1930's jazz era. I do think southerners who went to NY were more on that big city vibe than any other southerner to big city transfer outside of maybe the early days of southerners to chicago.

 

[BigMan]

Rap from the south. Blowfly first rapper on wax. He may be the first to diss on wax when he dissed Kurtis Blow. He's definitely the first Dirty rapper.

hip hop was started in the Bronx. i'm not doing this in this thread.

 

[Apollo Creed]

while the true, the south and west coast are more alike than either are to the north east

Especially when gangsta rap came out dudes were talking about cars and just everyday struggle and this was things people could relate too. NE seemed to focus strictly on nightlife/partying.

Pre Gangsta Rap, ATL artist were rapping like LL cool j and run DMC. Like someone else said outkast/dungeon family were the ones who showed the REAL atlanta because dudes pretty much IMO structured their music to be soul/funk songs they rapped over vs being hip hop songs with a soul sample. Duengeon Family were big on live instrumentation.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Really tho black people all over the country have their roots in the south. We are kind of making this thread irrelevant tbh. The west coast is way further away from the south than NY is

geographically? yes but not culturally

 

[BmoreGorilla]

My comment was Bone dissed Memphis and Chi town claming they were biting their style.

And NYC and Chicago are similar in how they were built but culturally black people in Chicago are damn near country while NYC (idk maybe due to being less segregated?) blacks had a different swag compared to west coast and southern blacks.

Someone more well versed like @IllmaticDelta can maybe elaborate better but outside of the initial people migrating out of the south NYCers rode that “big city” thing harder compared to say black folls who migrated to Chicago, Detroit, or the West Coast.

I would say the differences probably sparked around when hip hop started? Maybe disco? But I’d argue nyc being the night life mecca in the 70s-80s is what created them being so distinctly different. While east coast cats were listening to hip hop everyone else was probably still on disco,funk, etc.

I think you can trace back that elite NY attitude much further. During slavery NY had one of the largest free black populations in the country. So during the Great Migration when folks went to NY they were greeted by a black population that wasn't like them at all. They dressed different and most likely had no traces of a southern accent. Compared to the former slaves coming from the south these black folks were damn near an elite class. Migrants from the south tried to emulate them. In places like Chicago and Detroit an already established black community didn't exist

 

[BrothaZay]

ATL is such a overrated place

 

[Apollo Creed]

they started during the 1920/1930's jazz era. I do think southerners who went to NY were more on that big city vibe than any other southerner to big city transfer outside of maybe the early days of southerners to chicago.

Im not well versed on Chicago but from my knowledge of history. NYC in particular Harlem, Detroit, and Chicago seemed to he the main hotspots where blacks were going.

Culturally from what I can see all three cities had their own thing going on but didnt seem too different from each other. Even listening to music I didnt notice distinct differences until the end of disco/ transitioning into the 80s. Maybe because the 80s we see a transition from live bands and technology becoming more prominent in making music?

 

[BmoreGorilla]

Especially when gangsta rap came out dudes were talking about cars and just everyday struggle and this was things people could relate too. NE seemed to focus strictly on nightlife/partying.

Pre Gangsta Rap, ATL artist were rapping like LL cool j and run DMC. Like someone else said outkast/dungeon family were the ones who showed the REAL atlanta because dudes pretty much IMO structured their music to be soul/funk songs they rapped over vs being hip hop songs with a soul sample. Duengeon Family were big on live instrumentation.

That was me

 

[Apollo Creed]

I think you can trace back that elite NY attitude much further. During slavery NY had one of the largest free black populations in the country. So during the Great Migration when folks went to NY they were greeted by a black population that wasn't like them at all. They dressed different and most likely had no traces of a southern accent. Compared to the former slaves coming from the south these black folks were damn near an elite class. Migrants from the south tried to emulate them. In places like Chicago and Detroit an already established black community didn't exist

I dont disagree. NYC had an established black society that looked at these other cats like country bumpkins. I’d argue this is what makes blacks in the other hotspots more “closer” to each other.

Most AAs born in the 50s to early 90s had a grandparent from the south, but in the NE you would probably see more cases of people whos grand and great grand parents were from those areas.

 

[im_sleep]

The west coast/south influence has always been circular. I hate when folks make it a competition on some “we got yall on this” mess(not saying that’s what the OP is doing but in general).

 

[Stir Fry]

Southern hip hop was looking for its identity that's why it sounded so much like west coast shyt. By 95 this wasn't the case anymore becuz the south had established itself. The west coast culture was much different from the south in that the music was based around social commentary and gang lifestyle. The biggest west coast influence on the south imo was Too Short.

Going by your argument early Chicago hip hop should've sounded just like NY becuz they were living in high rise apartment. That's silly tho. Twista and Do Or Die ain't sound nothing like they from NY

I always felt that we were overlooked in this aspect

 

[3rd Ward Swangin]

hip hop was started in the Bronx. i'm not doing this in this thread.

Hip Hop consist of 4 element's one being started in the south.

 

[Apollo Creed]

The west coast/south influence has always been circular. I hate when folks make it a competition on some “we got yall on this” mess(not saying that’s what the OP is doing but in general).

It was also out of necessity being that NYC artist were pretty much selling their souls to jewish record execs. Southern and West Coasts acts were forced to do the indy thing which also led to cats getting money amogst each other.

I’d argue the attitutde of NYC is what lead to their demise.

 

[im_sleep]

A lot of the stuff yall assume came from the Westcoast actually comes from the Midwest @R$G META

Yup.

Zapp, Lakeside, Slave, etc etc.

Ohio gets left out these conversations way too often.