Would You Support A Violent Crime Bill?

[RickyDiBiase]

So there's no juelz or bussy babbling this is a literal question.

 

[EBK String]

What would it do? People are already sent to prison for violent crime. The solution is poverty reduction and community revitalization to avoid people becoming hardened criminals.

 

[Commish]

No.


For what? All that is going to do is further justify law enforcement and prosecutors to disproportionately Black men. Like another poster said, they already have enough laws on the books to lock up violent offenders.

 

[Uitomy]

No because America itself is the embodiment of violence. So much so we could make billions of gdp off 2 hour movies of the shyt alone. And the thing is, cacs would control and enforce that bill anyway so they would not actually focus on the violence everyone commits.


The thing is that in this country, we are only going to improve if the society as a whole stops dikk sucking and bending over for old rich mfs telling them to constantly eat, fukk, drive everywhere, and spend EVERYTHING to the point of indebtedness. You can’t build good family structures with discipline with that lifestyle, which is the only way we can even curb this violence down in the first place, akin to how you can ONLY reduce traffic significantly with proper transit.

 

[Freedman]

No because there are already a billion laws to lock a mf up forever in the USA. Something needs to be done about the gun violence specifically tho and I don't see a solution at this point

 

[Admiral Ackbar]

What would it do? People are already sent to prison for violent crime. The solution is poverty reduction and community revitalization to avoid people becoming hardened criminals.

This. Violent crime is a symptom of sociopolotical and socioeconomic problems.

 

[Noriega]

Absolutely

Families in black neighborhoods shouldn’t have to live in fear of a stray bullet, carjackings, muggings etc

 

[Reflected]

I would support what seems to mitigate crime in other developed nations as opposed to further souping up our already militarised police force. Our legal system is in need of a cleansing long before throwing more money at it. America continues to act like its problems are so unique and that pulling from other nations as an example is just beneath us, meanwhile we consistently rank lower than all of these similarly developed nations in matters of human development.


edit: This is assuming "crime bill" is a hard on crime bill that simply juices up the police force and allows for further discretion when targeting suspected individuals coupled with pipeline to prison. Now if a "crime bill" is tackling what is consistently the most prevailing correlation to crime, socioeconomic factors, I can support working on that.

 

[Secure Da Bag]

So there's no juelz or bussy babbling this is a literal question.

Even in that graph, you can see that violent crime was on the decline already. Also around that time, you had more Black kids going to college than jail. Due to Pell Grants. So the most you can say about that graph that the CB may have accelerated a downward trend but it did not create or cause it to happen.

So the solution is to provide more opportunity for financial stability not prevent people from getting well paying jobs in their adulthood, thereby increasing recidivism.

So to answer the OP, no.

 

[Pull Up the Roots]

No. The effect it had on reducing violent crime was relatively small and that doesn't justify the extent to which it increased incarceration rates, especially among young Black men.

What Caused the Crime Decline? | National Institute of Corrections

nicic.gov

This report "examines one of the nation’s least understood recent phenomena – the dramatic decline in crime nationwide over the past two decades – and analyzes various theories for why it occurred, by reviewing more than 40 years of data from all 50 states and the 50 largest cities. It concludes that over-harsh criminal justice policies, particularly increased incarceration, which rose even more dramatically over the same period, were not the main drivers of the crime decline. In fact, the report finds that increased incarceration has been declining in its effectiveness as a crime control tactic for more than 30 years. Its effect on crime rates since 1990 has been limited, and has been non-existent since 2000.

More important were various social, economic, and environmental factors, such as growth in income and an aging population. The introduction of CompStat, a data-driven policing technique, also played a significant role in reducing crime in cities that introduced it" (website). This report is divided into two parts following an executive summary. Part I—State-Level Analysis of Crime: criminal justice policies—increased incarceration, increased police numbers, use of the death penalty, and enactment of right-to-carry gun laws; economic factors—unemployment, growth in income, inflation, and consumer confidence; and social and environmental factors—decreased alcohol consumption, aging population, decreased crack use, legalization of abortion, and decreased lead in gasoline.

 

[High Art]

No.
The same problems that plagued the last one still exist today. Between unfair and racist policing to unfair and racist court system, another crime bill would be disastrous. Even more so, with the conservatives feeling themselves, they'll likely put together a bill that punishes the parents of the criminals as well to add black women into the mix for good measure. I've heard that shyt mentioned a few times.

 

[Secure Da Bag]

and decreased lead in gasoline

Oh, the people of Flint, MI should be having a field day with the state, EPA, and federal government.

If the gov't knows that lead inhalation causes brain defects, imbalance, which causes crime, then it should be banned like absestos or CFC.

 

[Cladyclad]

I really think if u rape or murder anyone it’s mandatory life no parole

armed robbery is mandatory 30 years

 

[acri1]

No. We already saw in the 90s that this doesn't tend to work well.

But I would support a comprehensive gun control bill.

 

[Paper Boi]

this country already imprisons more people than anywhere ever


and we live in a racist nation where these laws will not be applied fairly, evenly or justly, so no. there are already way too many horror stories of people who have been wrongly convicted for VIOLENT crime.