[11/16] Where is the Raw Thread?: The Raw Thread

[R=G]

If there's one thing you can't take away from Reigns though is that he's consistently been putting on great matches this entire year, starting with his match against Bry at Fastlane. A good match is a two way street, you can't have a crappy worker face a good one and get results.

Reigns seemed kind of tired last night and Cesaro put on one of the best performances of the year, bar none. Looking like D Bryan from 2013 out there. Roman came off better during the second half the match with his comebacks. It seemed like both men wanted it..like everything was at stake. That was the energy of that match because Cesaro wouldn't just fall for that Superman counter $hit like everyone else.

 

[MrSinnister]

5 mins doesn't equal a star. Long matches don't speak to the quality. But yeah, they've tried really had to make Roman look legit over the past 4 months. I just wouldn't let him speak until he wins the title, as maybe that would inspire him a bit more to pull the brass ring outta his ass.

He's had great matches, but not great feuds...at all. I guess that's cool for his fans and all, but it's just a rehash of the Cena problem. Everyone says he has amazing matches, but no one (asides from women and barely children) like the dude. Cena does have decent feuds though.

But this is something Roman has to work out. Yeah, his moveset fits his personality and build, even as he uses every single move in every single match. WWE does have a habit with pushing the overexposed, so we'll see what happens after he has the strap. His flaws would make him a far better heel tho .

 

[R=G]

He's had great matches, but not great feuds...at all. I guess that's cool for his fans and all, but it's just a rehash of the Cena problem. Everyone says he has amazing matches, but no one (asides from women and barely children) like the dude. Cena does have decent feuds though.

But this is something Roman has to work out. Yeah, his moveset fits his personality and build, even as he uses every single move in every single match. WWE does have a habit with pushing the overexposed, so we'll see what happens after he has the strap. His flaws would make him a far better heel tho .

Cena HAS had some of the worst feuds of all time. Edge was probably his best one...everything else have been lackluster in some form.

 

[MrSinnister]

Reigns seemed kind of tired last night and Cesaro put on one of the best performances of the year, bar none. Looking like D Bryan from 2013 out there. Roman came off better during the second half the match with his comebacks. It seemed like both men wanted it..like everything was at stake. That was the energy of that match because Cesaro wouldn't just fall for that Superman counter $hit like everyone else.

Nah, that was on the level of one of the best matches of his career. He lost, and still had a chance to bury Reigns, until people were more shocked with the Flair drama.

 

[MrSinnister]

Cena HAS had some of the worst feuds of all time. Edge was probably his best one...everything else have been lackluster in some form.

Yeah, but that's because of quantity and inevitability, not necessarily because of Cena himself. His early feud with HBK was good, as well as Edge, Orton, and definitely CM Punk for what they represented.

The problem was that only CM Punk really got a payoff from feuding with Cena, but was then buried anyway a la Hogan/Hart. Cena just cuckolds the title, but as most of his feuds have been stinkers for staying at the top for so long, he has still had epic ones.

 

[YakSpiller]

That contract signing was so brutal to watch, this is the one time I hope Vinny Mac comes in and end this shyt...

It was just terrible, worst shyt I've seen since I got back in.

Them hoes might don't got it.

 

[R=G]

Yeah, but that's because of quantity and inevitability, not necessarily because of Cena himself. His early feud with HBK was good, as well as Edge, Orton, and definitely CM Punk for what they represented.

The problem was that only CM Punk really got a payoff from feuding with Cena, but was then buried anyway a la Hogan/Hart. Cena just cuckolds the title, but as most of his feuds have been stinkers for staying at the top for so long, he has still had epic ones.

His feud with Michaels was so horrible and so dead that they brought in Piper to save the angle in that promo..the crowd cared for the Undertaker/Batista feud much more. Well that and the Austin/Billionaires angle.

None of his stuff with Blandy were ever good. Fans were sick of it by 09 and by 2011, they got humiliated by Cena's own hometown twice in the same Rumble match. CM. Punk kept going over and didn't let him bury him on the mic and HE DID TRY to bury Punk on the mic during that contract signing.

 

[R=G]

That contract signing was so brutal to watch, this is the one time I hope Vinny Mac comes in and end this shyt...

It was just terrible, worst shyt I've seen since I got back in.

Them hoes might don't got it.

Certain dudes have turned on Naomi around here but she would of knocked a main event promo out...she's came at Paige hard on the mic and gets no credit for it.

 

[MrSinnister]

The problems with Reigns and Cena are this. With Reigns, he shatters my suspension of belief every time he has a feud with anyone outside of Seth Rollins. He comes across as a person trolling you to realize "hey fool, you know this is all play fighting right??". And you're like damn Vince. But this is going to be your next huge face Cena replacement. Good luck with that.

Cena's problem is he's portrayed as Perfect Cell. Yeah, you may get the rare clean loss, but his losses seem to already have a setup to them (title unification) or rubber match where he buries you. His main problem is he gets everyone's best promos, actions, matches (to make the feud worth having with Cena) and still beats them soundly. So you've pretty much seen everyone's best tricks, and you're tired of them too prematurely.

 

[mrken12]

11/16 WWE Superstars TV taping spoilers: More details on the taping (spoilers)

1. Brie Bella beat Naomi. Actually a surprisingly decent match. My fiancee's highlight of the night because she loves Brie. The crowd didn't know who to cheer for. Grade: B

2. Titus O'Neil defeated Bo Dallas. Bo got major heat. He should be on the main roster as a mid card heel. Titus got a huge reaction. He is over more then I would have guessed. The match was okay. Grade: C-

Superstars?

 

[XII]

I was running through The Switz with my Woes!
Yoodle-oh-hay-he-ho
Yoodle-oh-hay-he-ho

What the fukk

 

[XII]

GOAT "interrupt your promo" theme

And that's why I think I deserve another shot at the IntercoALLLAAAAYLEEAAAAALLAYLEALAYLEEEAAAAA

 

[Kidd Dibiase]

Elizabeth Fliehr @EFliehr
@WWE @StephMcMahon @VinceMcMahon @TripleH WWEWriters really, that lazy! #CheapHeat #disgusting #disrespectful #cruel #sad

#RawGreenville

1:14 AM - 17 Nov 2015

^ charlotte mother

 

[Kidd Dibiase]

I'm starting to think that segment was intentional sabotage.

On some look how bad the divas are, you really think people care about the divas revolution?

bad scripts..check

dead crowd through out the night..check

so of course you put the least exciting thing on the show last right?

 

[Neuromancer]

What was last night's main event?