$15 Minimum Wage is KILLING Seattle.

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Maybe it's just me but I don't believe minimum wage should be $15. I believe you adapt to the climate, I mean this is happening to nikkas, ain't it? Gentrification ran black folks out of Brooklyn and Harlem because the cost of living is going up but the wages are the same. Should they raise minimum wage in NYC for them? They didn't causing many NYC folks to move South for better opportunities with lower cost of living.

How come Seattle folks can't move somewhere else in Washington or move to Portland or Vancouver, maybe Idaho or Montana.

Maybe the issue is racial. When it's black folks who can't afford the cost of living, like in NYC, then it's "Screw u nikkas, move." But when it's white folks in Seattle they be like :"Increase the wage so they can afford to live here."
 

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Owners will be losing money. What the fukk do you really expect them to do?:mindblown:
i've gone over this before. let me go over this again. if you cant pay your employees a liveable wage. then you dont deserve to expand your business enough where you need X amt of employees you cant pay said liveable wage. its that simple.

if i start my business.. a little sandwich shop. seats 4 tables max, and gets to go orders. so i start out with myself, my wife, and say a friend of ours. 3 people. 1 on the phone taking togo orders and working the register, one on the grill, one on prep.

its going to be tight, but we can Get ER DONE.
If i start thinking "mannnn... we need a waitress and a bigger space..we're making pretty good income now. lets expand."

we can't expand unless i can pay my worker(s) a LEGIT wage that they can LIVE ON. if the answer is NO i cant pay that wage. then the answer to expansion is NO also. THIS my friends is what these american businesses do not understand or dont care to understand.

These business owners are use to low balling their employees. So they think expansion and think $9/ hr is going to cut it. its not.

and for those who say "but bu bu... seattle is going to have less places to eat for cheaper." i say SO WHAT. if i had to choose between people being able to pay rent vs being able to go out and eat at a cute cafe. i'll choose door #1.

Do you think a broke $10/hr or less with 2 kids to feed is caring about the eateries in seattle? NO. because they cant do the basics which is keep a roof over their heads. basic room and board is a necessity people. then we can start talking about amenities like more cute places to eat for less then $15 a meal.

and for the record. the people crying about "no minimum wage hikes." are repubs and libertarians. These idiots think we should keep it low so that small businesses can afford to operate. because they are more for Business then they are for PEOPLE.

So lets use their flawed logic in this scenario. person makes less then $9/hr with a couple of kids to feed, clothed, and house. they cant afford it on that salary. so they get on the Govvy's nipple. wait, repubs and libertarians..dont wnat big Govvy. Ok fine, no big govvy to suck from. so this broke person gets on the nipple of some charity group(s). wait a second... charities are tax exempt via the Govvy. So at the end of the day that is still on the govvy's nipple.

and lastly, to run a charity or even govvy programs. you pay out a ton of the money to Administrative cost. so most of the money that a charity gets or even the govvy, is going to workers that work there. not actual people in need. when all you have to do is cut out the middle man and pay people a decent wage.
 

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Found a link with info on the law:

http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/seattle-city-council-approves-historic-15-minimum-wage/



Businesses have quite some time to make adjustments, this isn't immediate. At best the big companies must increase to $11 by April.

In other words, a lot of hype going on, things haven't even happened yet.


As a business owners, these guys have to forecast what's going to happen to their business years in advance and based on the numbers, they'll be in the red once they have to comply with the law:yeshrug:
If it continues to be viable and profitable, they'll stay open like some restaurants who are successful enough will do. But if not, close up shop and put your investments elsewhere. Running a business is not a charity:francis:
So now those guys who earned a living with minimum wage and tips, will be now jobless and wishing they had their old job back:feedme:
 
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This is what happens when salary/wage increases remain stagnant or minimal while the cost of living and Inflation doing 20 over the speed limit.
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Maybe the issue is racial. When it's black folks who can't afford the cost of living, like in NYC, then it's "Screw u nikkas, move." But when it's white folks in Seattle they be like :"Increase the wage so they can afford to live here."

It all falls in line with gentrification. Blacks are seen as undesirable tenants, citizens, etc wherever unless they can be exploited. I even see how the black community in the midst of gentrification is being used as an outlier to excuse gentrification (ie, before "we" moved here, this place was a crime ridden shythole). Now you got mexicans and others willing to do that and black men and women become less of a priority.

Thing is here in NYC there are alot of white people who've been priced out of here but there are double, triple their numbers that move in that can pay and are willing to pay inflated housing prices and overtly expensive costs of living, and best believe DeBlasio (like Bloomberg) is catering to them cause they have money and an image of being creative and tech savvy that the working class minorities that are being pushed out do not have.
 

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i've gone over this before. let me go over this again. if you cant pay your employees a liveable wage. then you dont deserve to expand your business enough where you need X amt of employees you cant pay said liveable wage. its that simple.

if i start my business.. a little sandwich shop. seats 4 tables max, and gets to go orders. so i start out with myself, my wife, and say a friend of ours. 3 people. 1 on the phone taking togo orders and working the register, one on the grill, one on prep.

its going to be tight, but we can Get ER DONE.
If i start thinking "mannnn... we need a waitress and a bigger space..we're making pretty good income now. lets expand."

we can't expand unless i can pay my worker(s) a LEGIT wage that they can LIVE ON. if the answer is NO i cant pay that wage. then the answer to expansion is NO also. THIS my friends is what these american businesses do not understand or dont care to understand.

These business owners are use to low balling their employees. So they think expansion and think $9/ hr is going to cut it. its not.

and for those who say "but bu bu... seattle is going to have less places to eat for cheaper." i say SO WHAT. if i had to choose between people being able to pay rent vs being able to go out and eat at a cute cafe. i'll choose door #1.

Do you think a broke $10/hr or less with 2 kids to feed is caring about the eateries in seattle? NO. because they cant do the basics which is keep a roof over their heads. basic room and board is a necessity people. then we can start talking about amenities like more cute places to eat for less then $15 a meal.

and for the record. the people crying about "no minimum wage hikes." are repubs and libertarians. These idiots think we should keep it low so that small businesses can afford to operate. because they are more for Business then they are for PEOPLE.

So lets use their flawed logic in this scenario. person makes less then $9/hr with a couple of kids to feed, clothed, and house. they cant afford it on that salary. so they get on the Govvy's nipple. wait, repubs and libertarians..dont wnat big Govvy. Ok fine, no big govvy to suck from. so this broke person gets on the nipple of some charity group(s). wait a second... charities are tax exempt via the Govvy. So at the end of the day that is still on the govvy's nipple.

and lastly, to run a charity or even govvy programs. you pay out a ton of the money to Administrative cost. so most of the money that a charity gets or even the govvy, is going to workers that work there. not actual people in need. when all you have to do is cut out the middle man and pay people a decent wage.


They (business owners) played the system that was in place and opened up their shops.

Now that the system is changing, they can't afford to keep their shops open and still be profitable because the rules have changed.

So why exactly are we getting mad at the business owners for adjusting their plans?

How about the people who protested need to understand what would happen if the system changed.
 

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They rather close up shop than give their workers a livable wage? Our country is fukked.
shyt's not a charity

If u cant turn a profit no sense in having a business. That profit = the owners "salary". All the other money goes back into running the restaurant.

Now the owners dont get a restaurant and more importantly the workers dont get jobs. A real win win
 

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Oh and just to the republicans that will come in this thread that will say the government shouldn't have done this fukk you many businesses haven't paid workers properly in a long time based on production inflation or cost of living so fukk you in advance.
 

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im not in support of forcing anyone to pay more than they think will give them enough profit margin. and i do think 15 is a little high, but not too much. i think federal needs to be 10 an hour

however, when we give you 7 years and you throw in the towel in the first month, you dont have my sympathy and frankly your business wasnt shyt anyway
 
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