$15 Minimum Wage is KILLING Seattle.
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Thats 7 years of employment for those working at those restaurants
If they threw in the towel 7 years ago youd have chastised them even more
The whole minimum wage thing is such a red herring but its an easier target for people than healthcare and other shyt that makes $15/hr useless.
If college and healthcare were free $8/hr would be enough to live a decent life in 80% of the country
ExodusNirvana
Change is inevitable...
You did not sense the sarcasm...I'ma let you slide since it's late afternoon on a Monday
I think for the national minimum wage I would agree but the cost of living in Seattle is crazy $15 sounds about right to me.
the artist known az
Hail the victors
You did not sense the sarcasm...I'ma let you slide since it's late afternoon on a Monday
The minimum wage question is one of the most studied question ever in economics, alot of people like to talk economic theory and present their opinions as facts.
People should be humble and remember both great intellects from both sides can't conclusively on this question, economics is not a science the way chemistry is, you can't complete a formula and get a perfect answer, it a social science all you can do is go off history and try your best to predict what would happen if X policy is implemented and what has happened when it was implemented in the past
People should be humble and remember both great intellects from both sides can't conclusively on this question, economics is not a science the way chemistry is, you can't complete a formula and get a perfect answer, it a social science all you can do is go off history and try your best to predict what would happen if X policy is implemented and what has happened when it was implemented in the past
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This broadcast made me want to actually visit this restaurant. I think it would be dope to see more places do this.
But, at the end of the day, the restaurant business is one of the riskiest out there, that's why so many fail. Unless you have a massive name for branding, there aren't too many people that actually realize what it takes to run a good restaurant. AND your food actually has to be good.
We won't know the full impact of this Seattle situation until time passes and it stays on the books.
The bolded is way too bold of a proclamation though I see where you are going. Second, like we always say, you're missing the point on minimum wage. You're framing it as being offerred as a solution to inequity or a primary one. That is not what it is being offered as. It's part of a pot. The ame people who care about minimum wage support cheaper healthcare and free college. You're driving an unnecessary wedge within the same camp. Minimum wage is about empathy and the value of human time in accordance with productivity as much as anything.
You may be 100% correct although this doesn't go along with what people have told me.
You are correct. Business owners didnt do anything illegal. they did what everyone else was doing. but guess what. i bet you, there are some businesses that never expanded until they had the funds to pay a living wage to their employee(s). We know places like this exist. not all but some.
prime example. In n Out burger gives people vacation time, and benefits. and these people that work there are not working 40+ hrs per week. yet they provide these benefits. and yet they kept expanding. But i bet you they could expand even more if they didnt have those benefits for each employee. they chose not to do that. they chose to do better by their fellow man.
Thats also a choice called ETHICS. just because you can get your Tshirts made overseas for half the cost. doesnt make it okay when you find out they are not paying people any where near a living wage in Thailand where your shirts are being made.
This is the dynamic thats we're dealing with. do whats legal or do whats right? your choice.
obamacare was a change to the "SYSTEM" as you've stated. but people use to have cheaper policies and a lot of the cheap policies you had were so bad that you were wasting your little pennies on them. if you actually needed them they wouldnt be there to help you in all reality. but most people didnt read that fine print. all they knew was "well this is cheap." now obamacare is here and he set a minimum standard of coverage for all. now your cheap policies are no longer cheap. but they are no longer crap policies either.
If you have employees working for you that cant take care of themselves working 35+ hours at your establishment. you should be ashamed of yourself. you are no better then those shop owners in india. its all relative. it doesnt matter if its legal. whats the RIGHT thing to do?
HowAboutNow
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Rain City Burgers or Zekes pizza better not close.
West Coast Avenger
West Coastin & Smokin
South End bruh....and the C.D. (central diatrict aka the criminal district)....15 for fast food?
Dem nikkas lucky as fukk.
Service better be chik fil a status and not hood mcdonalds status.
Are there any hoods in Seattle?
people still eating at restaurants in 2015 ? 
I think its a necessary wedge. A clear and easy case can be made for free healthcare and college. A public option would spread risk, centralize administration, leverage negotiation with doctors and ultimately lower the 20% of GDP we spend on healthcare. Free college makes sense as we are competing with economies that have public university systems, and in many ways a college diploma is the new high school diploma. These are arguments rooted in evidence and objectivity. When the rationalization for something lies pretty much entirely in soft concepts like "empaty" and the "value of human time" its not very strong. Especially considering we wouldn't apply those same values to all the cheap outsourced labor that is a critical component of our economy. I will touch more on this later but I don't agree that these things should be tied together. Every idea should stand on its own... if it cant its probably not a good one.