$15 Minimum Wage is KILLING Seattle.

[Higher Tech]

Maybe it's just me but I don't believe minimum wage should be $15. I believe you adapt to the climate, I mean this is happening to nikkas, ain't it? Gentrification ran black folks out of Brooklyn and Harlem because the cost of living is going up but the wages are the same. Should they raise minimum wage in NYC for them? They didn't causing many NYC folks to move South for better opportunities with lower cost of living.

How come Seattle folks can't move somewhere else in Washington or move to Portland or Vancouver, maybe Idaho or Montana.

Maybe the issue is racial. When it's black folks who can't afford the cost of living, like in NYC, then it's "Screw u nikkas, move." But when it's white folks in Seattle they be like :"Increase the wage so they can afford to live here."

If people in NYC want a higher wage they have to fight for it, it's going to be harder simply because the population is so high, you'll always have a large number of people that are either not willing to fight or are willing to work for less. I doubt Seattle's government just created the minimum wage standard without someone fighting for it. Too many blacks promote the idea that the system is all bad, so too many don't get involved in the political process. Then we have no power. Then we get hosed left and right, and we're back to complaining about get screwed over.

 

[Danny Up]

Again, WTF is livable? Do you think a motherfukker who didn't go to school or learn trade or even graduate high school Deserves the same amount of opportunity as the people who did? Not saying education is the end all be all but if you aint got a diploma and/or you ain't out here trying to start your own opportunities then think working the register at McD's entitles to live the same life as someone else who did the fukk em.

This is moronic. What does it matter if person went to school if they are doing a job? Should people with A's throughout there school history make considerably more than someone who got D's throughout school even if they have the same degree? I understand some job will look at GPA, some won't.

But at the same time what makes a manager more valuable than the guy on the assembly line or making "lean decisions"? The guy with the money making the decision generally don't know shyt about how shyt really runs.

 

[MikelArteta]

Vancouver is the most expensive place to live in north America

Only Chinese can afford real estate there.

Unless he meant Vancouver wa

Did you say "move to Vancouver"

That shyt is MORE expensive than Seattle breh.

 

[Atlrocafella]

people still eating at restaurants in 2015 ?

It's always one of you niccas who starts saying dumbshyt like this , I hope you are trolling

 

[FlyRy]

Thats 7 years of employment for those working at those restaurants

If they threw in the towel 7 years ago youd have chastised them even more

The whole minimum wage thing is such a red herring but its an easier target for people than healthcare and other shyt that makes $15/hr useless.

If college and healthcare were free $8/hr would be enough to live a decent life in 80% of the country

 

[OnlyInCalifornia]

This is going to go down just like all those people who said Obamacare was going to crush the economy and ruin tons of businesses.

So much crow will be eaten....

Not sure if they realize but people having more money in the area means more people to go to their restaurants...

 

[Atlrocafella]

its only a matter of time that most of these min wage jobs will be automated and people will cry, like the breh who posted that mcdonalds kiosk etc. those will come in more, and there will also be just ordering off a app with a cc and you just walk in pick up your order etc

I don't even trust chipotle's online ordering system to get my shyt right, I think people will always want that personal experience when it comes to their food.

 

[No_bammer_weed]

This is what happens when salary/wage increases remain stagnant or minimal while the cost of living and Inflation doing 20 over the speed limit.

LOL. Word.

For all the "its a math problem" people, they need to calculate real wages from 30-50 years ago...adjust for inflation and figure out what it is now, versus what it should be compared to how the average worker was incorporated into the economy in generations past.

At some point the American economy will acknowledge reality (that Reagaonomics was a harmful handout to the rich) and start including its workers into some semblance of distribution of profits and revenue. For the past 30 years our economy has been all about wage suppression, first, second, and last on the agenda and the results have been devastating for the middle class and under.

Even moderately conservative economists are concerned about the trajectories of an economy where 95% of the economic gains continue to go to the top 1% year after year...we cant sustain ourselves like this. Thats fukkin insanity!!!!

Businesses fail because of a lack of an overall lack of demand...not because they have to pay their workers a few extra bucks. They're just hoarding profits there...Businesses are concerned about a lack of consumptive power and activity from the actors in their community which is the driver of an economy..

When historians and academics look back at this generation and wonder how people could accept such dramatic and prolonged wage inequality, they'll probably pin point a stockholm syndrome/self loathing psychology as the culprit (look how so many top economies around the world have free health care and reasonable wage inequality)...We are hypnotized by the rich in America and have bought their propaganda that we are beneath them and a bane of their existence. We should take whatever they want to give us, and not say a word.

Think of our economy like hip hop where rappers taunt and belittle the listeners and brag about a life the fan will never live, and how they will always take our bytch at their leisure...its a relationship of sadomasochism. Thats a macro version of the American economy.

Dont even consider leveraging our labor, effort, and contributions to insure the best for our family. Thats "unamerican". We dont have an economy based on logic...its based on punishment and centered on class, race, gender. Instead of the S&P it should be the S&N...sadists and narcissists.

Going back to the stockholm syndrome angle....the historians will ultimately conclude that like submissive societies before us, we were complicit in the culture where we enforced our own enslavement. Everyday you see middle and working class conservatives doing the bidding for the 1% and their interests...nonsensically fighting their battles. Assuming their rhetoric...The slavemaster doesnt have to lift a finger. We as a society do all the work for him.

 

[Goat poster]

Vancouver is the most expensive place to live in north America

Only Chinese can afford real estate there.

Unless he meant Vancouver wa

No Lie

I was talking to my Chinese homeboy who does real estate in Van and he told me that 95% of the houses over 5mil are bought by Chinese people trying to park their money in the Canadian economy.

Most don't even live in the houses they buy, It's crazy.

 

[Data-Hawk]

Naw man, there's a levels. We ain't talking about Pork N Beans, Compton of the 90's, 1st 48 Memphis, Little Rock...Lol as a black man, you really have nothing to worry about walking the streets.

http://www.seattle.gov/police/crime/stats.htm

Major Crimes in Seattle By Month
CRIMES* JAN FEB MAR APR MAY JUN JUL AUG SEP OCT NOV DEC YTD
Homicide 1 2 0 4 1 5 3 1 3 3 0 3 26 - :blessed:
Rape 8 9 9 7 15 6 16 14 5 15 13 11 128
Robbery 129 79 139 126 136 149 123 151 155 107 138 140 1572
Agg Assault 183 151 161 187 212 193 204 211 223 217 155 162 2259
TOT VIOLENT 321 241 309 324 364 353 346 377 386 342 306 316 3985
Burglary 647 499 549 559 609 601 608 597 614 623 588 608 7102
Larceny/Theft** 2303 1938 2327 2574 2518 2412 2306 2376 2298 2460 2182 2221 27915
Vehicle Theft 443 370 401 483 532 613 542 383 424 537 386 303 5417
TOT PROP 3393 2807 3277 3616 3659 3626 3456 3356 3336 3620 3156 3132 40434
TOTAL 3714 3048 3586 3940 4023 3979 3802 3733 3722 3962 3462 3448 44419


goat city. It's the homeless that be

WTF @ those homicide rates........wow

 

[Goat poster]

LOL. Word.

For all the "its a math problem" people, they need to calculate real wages from 30-50 years ago...adjust for inflation and figure out what it is now, versus what it should be compared to how the average worker was incorporated into the economy in generations past.

At some point the American economy will acknowledge reality (that Reagaonomics was a harmful handout to the rich) and start including its workers into some semblance of distribution of profits and revenue. For the past 30 years our economy has been all about wage suppression, first, second, and last on the agenda and the results have been devastating for the middle class and under.

Even moderately conservative economists are concerned about the trajectories of an economy where 95% of the economic gains continue to go to the top 1% year after year...we cant sustain ourselves like this. Thats fukkin insanity!!!!

Businesses fail because of a lack of an overall lack of demand...not because they have to pay their workers a few extra bucks. They're just hoarding profits there...Businesses are concerned about a lack of consumptive power and activity from the actors in their community which is the driver of an economy..

When historians and academics look back at this generation and wonder how people could accept such dramatic and prolonged wage inequality, they'll probably pin point a stockholm syndrome/self loathing psychology as the culprit (look how so many top economies around the world have free health care and reasonable wage inequality)...We are hypnotized by the rich in America and have bought their propaganda that we are beneath them and a bane of their existence. We should take whatever they want to give us, and not say a word.

Think of our economy like hip hop where rappers taunt and belittle the listeners and brag about a life the fan will never live, and how they will always take our bytch at their leisure...its a relationship of sadomasochism. Thats a macro version of the American economy.

Dont even consider leveraging our labor, effort, and contributions to insure the best for our family. Thats "unamerican". We dont have an economy based on logic...its based on punishment and centered on class, race, gender. Instead of the S&P it should be the S&N...sadists and narcissists.

Going back to the stockholm syndrome angle....the historians will ultimately conclude that like submissive societies before us, we were complicit in the culture where we enforced our own enslavement. Everyday you see middle and working class conservatives doing the bidding for the 1% and their interests...nonsensically fighting their battles. Assuming their rhetoric...The slavemaster doesnt have to lift a finger. We as a society do all the work for him.

THANK YOU!!!

I don't understand why people get mad at Min Wage workers, but never acknowledge how ridiculous the cost of living has gotten.

They poor people
But happily bend over and take it from rich people

 

[Data-Hawk]

All those people who will lose their job should just start their own restaurant...........

 

[KinksandCoils]

You tripping. If a job isn't complicated then that means more people can do it meaning its less valuable.

If you want to get paid more then learn a trade or skill that is valuable. Fast Food is NOT CAREER unless of course you are moving up the ladder which most people bytching about minimum wage are not doing. Honestly if you older than than your mid 20's working the register at McDonald something went wrong in your life (jail, mental issue, high school dropout) etc.

my point stands. If you have a job you should have a wage you can live on. You seem to think this is ok which goes on to why I said we as a society are brain washed in a way. Just because a job isn't prestigious it doesn't mean it shouldn't cover your needs.

Anyways......Why u think its ok for people to struggle is beyond me. I don't care for your opinion. Dueces!

 

[pete clemenza]

most of the ones closing were probably already in the red and in denial about their business failing anyway. the restaurant business is one of the hardest out there. there are probably hundreds of restaurants are closing across this country every day that aren't paying people $15. the ones that were doing great business won't shut down. instead they'll make other budget cuts to try and compensate for the lost wages/try other tricks to get skirt paying people $15 i.e. some people gonna lose jobs and get worked harder. still most businesses going under on this shyt weren't turning much of a profit or were probably already deep in the red like most non-chain restaurants i see open every year.

c/s

People are lumping in the corporate places like McDonalds, TGIFridays, Buffalo Wild Wings, etc with the mom & pop family owned establishments of the world. "Mike's Burgers&Fries" on the corner in the neighborhood might not be turning a profit and doesn't have the financial backing of the Applebee's that's down the street. You'd be shocked at how alot of these restaurants aren't turning a profit and are deep in red. Why do you think there's shows like Restaurant Impossible and Bar Rescue.. Restaurants open and close like crazy. Notice all the restaurants in these shows are family owned establishments. You won't see a Sizzler, Cheesecake Factory or Ruby Tuesdays at all. Bad book keeping, sh*tty inventory practices, not cleaned properly each night, bad management, giving away too much food & drinks for free, etc. Some of the better ran and respected family owned spots are on shows like Diners Drive Ins and Dives and other shows on the Food Network and Travel Channel.

Some of these places probably can't afford to pay the $15 an hour and will close. I know for certain the corporate spots will either move everybody to part time or slash the work force in half and make the people that stay on do twice the work. Its straight capitalism.. its not right but its the way the USA operates business. Nobody is gonna win in all of this. If they raise the minimum wage college kids with degrees who can't get a job in their chosen field will apply for these fast food jobs and the average joe with two kids to feed and no degree will be assed out.

 

[Based Lord Zedd]

they never have been able to and that's the whole point. They should be able to. Just because a job isn't complicated to learn it doesn't mean that a person shouldn't be able to provide for their family.

Define family though.

I make more than a fast food employee and more than this $15 min wage...and one reason I'm terrified of having kids is the $ investment.

If you're only working a basic ass job you shouldn't have a large family to provide for. It's not McDonald's fault if you have 3 children and can't feed them all off your min wage job. I've had employees who are trying to support 4+ children when they make under $10/hr. WTF part of the game is that? At some point you have to put part of the blame on the person for creating their own helpless situation.

A lot of people's money would go further if they were more responsible with it, and I'm not trying to be condescending at all because I fall into the same traps a lot of people do. I just take more accountability for my actions than some others choose to do. Raising min wage isn't going to solve everything if people take that higher wage and behave irresponsibly with it.

We need to do a better job educating people and preparing them for being adults.