2016 HL WPOY Nomination Thread

[ExodusNirvana]

I know exactly what I advocated for and I supported and explained my stance.
Also if you are going to try to present my argument atleast do it honestly. I said specifically the loss of minimum wage would only effect those currently at minimum wage now, not the jobs over minimum wage.

Also, newsflash, at every sector most businesses are trying to push salary down, even at the 20 - 25 dollar and up ranges but the skills for those positions and supply or workers vs the demand of those workers is what keeps the salary at a high level above even current minimum wage, so economically and logically removing the minimum wage would serve no downward pressure on those jobs.
Now tell me who you don't get that.

And again, when presented with an opportunity to discuss, you resort to childish name calling instead of actually typing out your actual point.

You don't want to debate and discuss with me fine, I have no problem with that, but the fact that you can't keep my name out your mouth and go around whining and tagging and mentioning me in threads is what shows the bytchness in you.

Its clear in just this thread alone you don't have knowledge of business, macro economics, different schools of economic thought, real world application and study of the economic interference you champion, or the racist origins of what you are arguing for.

So again agree or disagree fine, doesn't matter to me, but how about you just keep my name out your mouth and act like a real man.

And that is absurd...you want your points to be heard but only if they ignore a glaringly obvious omission

It is ridiculous because the purpose of a business is to maximize profit for it's shareholders, so barring some law or regulation to stop it, they will cut where it is necessary. The idea that you think people over the minimum wage would be protected from this is silly breh.

 

[tmonster]

I've seen some terrible posting in my day, but this cat took the baton and went Jesse Owens on us. Regardless of whatever else happens by the end of the year, let it be known that this is my WPOY Nominee

Can we hope this is just a napoleon or dead7 secret account?

 

[David_TheMan]

And that is absurd...you want your points to be heard but only if they ignore a glaringly obvious omission

It is ridiculous because the purpose of a business to maximize profit for it's shareholders, so barring some law or regulation to stop it, they will cut where it is necessary. The idea that you think people over the minimum wage would be protected from this is silly breh.

Not absurd at all and there is a real economic base and real world example of it in action.
Purpose of every business is to maximize profit by reducing expenses and increasing revenue. No shyt.
That is still the purpose when you see managers, technicians, nurses, doctors, lawyers making the salary they make now, even though there is currently a minimum wage.
If you cant understand the wage floors for certain positions aren't set by minimum wage, but by the supply and demand of skilled workers for that field, you are actually disagreeing with a basic economic principle.

That said again, if you disagree fine, but keep my name out your mouth with chatty patty shyt like this. Acting like a cupcake going around mumering about someone else and tagging them to say how much you dislike a post.

Can we hope this is just a napoleon or dead7 secret account?

Nope, I'm not those posters

 

[JahFocus CS]

 

[Rarely-Wrong Liggins]

I don't think employment has anything to do with economic growth

 

[ExodusNirvana]

Not absurd at all and there is a real economic base and real world example of it in action.
Purpose of every business is to maximize profit by reducing expenses and increasing revenue. No shyt.
That is still the purpose when you see managers, technicians, nurses, doctors, lawyers making the salary they make now, even though there is currently a minimum wage.
If you cant understand the wage floors for certain positions aren't set by minimum wage, but by the supply and demand of skilled workers for that field, you are actually disagreeing with a basic economic principle.

That said again, if you disagree fine, but keep my name out your mouth with chatty patty shyt like this. Acting like a cupcake going around mumering about someone else and tagging them to say how much you dislike a post.


Nope, I'm not those posters

The purpose of a business is to maximize profit for it's shareholders. THAT'S IT. Anything that comes after that? That's the devil in the details type stuff. And barring some law or regulation the business will do ANYTHING. What you're not understanding is that whole "reducing expenses and increasing revenues" thing you're adding on can be ANYTHING that is not illegal. Hell it can be illegal too as long as you don't get caught.

With no minimum wage laws, businesses will offer whatever they want as a salary and those positions will simply have to "deal with it". Your train of thought supposes that "Well...SOMEONE will pay them appropriately" (whatever that is) and that the businessses that are on the bullshyt will simply die out as a result of the market correcting itself, which ignores the massive unemployment and poverty that will come as a result. Or even worse, it suggests people will simply stay at their jobs rather than go hungry when their salaries cannot match up with the inevitable rise in inflation and changing prices of goods.

It's almost as if you forget that there was a time in this country when businesses really could do whatever they wanted with little to no oversight

 

[tmonster]

Nope, I'm not those posters

 

[DEAD7]

 

[David_TheMan]

The purpose of a business is to maximize profit for it's shareholders. THAT'S IT. Anything that comes after that? That's the devil in the details type stuff. And barring some law or regulation the business will do ANYTHING. What you're not understanding is that whole "reducing expenses and increasing revenues" thing you're adding on can be ANYTHING that is not illegal. Hell it can be illegal too as long as you don't get caught.

With no minimum wage laws, businesses will offer whatever they want as a salary and those positions will simply have to "deal with it". Your train of thought supposes that "Well...SOMEONE will pay them appropriately" (whatever that is) and that the businessses that are on the bullshyt will simply die out as a result of the market correcting itself, which ignores the massive unemployment and poverty that will come as a result. Or even worse, it suggests people will simply stay at their jobs rather than go hungry when their salaries cannot match up with the inevitable rise in inflation and changing prices of goods.

It's almost as if you forget that there was a time in this country when businesses really could do whatever they wanted with little to no oversight

You seem to be literally intent on ignoring the economic reality that different jobs with different levels have different market set wages, due to supply and demand of those capable workers.
I"m going to copy and paste what I just wrote, because you literally ignored it.

That is still the purpose when you see managers, technicians, nurses, doctors, lawyers making the salary they make now, even though there is currently a minimum wage.
If you cant understand the wage floors for certain positions aren't set by minimum wage, but by the supply and demand of skilled workers for that field, you are actually disagreeing with a basic economic principle.

You see the jobs I listed get paid more than minimum wage now, and they generally are nowhere close to the minimum wage in terms of hourly pay. Why is that? Because their pay isn't tied to an artificially mandated floor but to the supply of workers in that field capable of doing the job. This is why a minimum wage removal only will trouble those positions that are set at the minimum wage.

As for a person being paid appropriately, that simply is what ever a person agrees to.

Massivie unemployment for black youths is what minimum wage brought, you seem to ignore this. white unemployment and others has dropped, blacks are double the white rate, and why? Black teen unemployment is higher.
As for jobs, if you don't work, you don't eat. I'll never feel bad or sad about someoen who refuses to work going hungry.

As for businesses doing what they want, they were allowed to do this under the protection of regulation and the violation of common law. That is another story and conversation entirely though.

 

[JahFocus CS]

 

[ADevilYouKhow]

fukkery starting bright and early this Friday...

 

[Paper Boi]

lower learning

 

[Darth Nubian]

Too early for W.P.O.Y. I think the end of the primary season is going to filled with some truly horrendous and c00ntastic posting.

 

[Brown_Pride]

The worst parts of those responses is that it seems like he didn't even really think about what he was saying. That's the problem with those types, they don't really think of what kind of environment that those kinds of ideas would yield.

It's why I always advocate that people minor in business in college because even if you don't have a desire to work in the corporate world or a business environment, you'll get a good understanding of how the world works with respect to business. And what does that entail? Marketing, Finance, Accounting, Economics. Simple shyt but really it's A LOT if you live in a Capitalist society. You could take the intro level classes for those 4 topics and come to the realization of how stupid those quoted posts are.

You can tell dude doesn't really understand business or capitalism, nor does he have a grasp on history in this country. That's the only way you could truly come up with answers like that.

The FIRST thing they teach you in Business 101: The purpose of a business is to maximize profit for its shareholders.

That's it. They have no other obligations barring government or state intervention.

And in a well constructed curricuulm, by the time he got up and went to his Accounting class, he would perhaps watch some of a film called "The Smartest Guys In the Room" in order to see just what happens when businesses are given free reign to do as they please without proper oversight or regulation.

But you see I can tell...just off the responses, that's not what dude is on...he just Googled some shyt that solidified his point and didn't do the critical thinking require to really validate those kinds of ideas.

And I'm finding that that shyt is a reoccurring theme with the Liberterian types man the shyt is really doing a disservice to their entire platform.

It's good advice in theory but I know a few people who are goign back to school and getting their first taste of "economics" and then coming to me like, "is this true?" I have to tell them, yeah this is how supply and demand works and your professor is right in a purely analytical sense but here's what happens in the real world....


Maybe it's the colleges and such (or even some of the texts books) but they are getting a very one sided delivery of things...very capitalist driven.

 

[Domingo Halliburton]

You can find economist who make that minimum wage argument. Noble laureates as well.


For some real stupidity look at thread about the British psychologist saying pedophilia should be classified as a sexual preference.