2020 Democratic Primary Thread: Focus on House & Senate races
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King Kreole
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I didn't read dora's post as seeking to exonerate Barack Obama and his accomplices from all charges, I read it as asking us to have a deeper, more systemic understanding of the forces that create conditions for Obama (or Trump, for that matter) to do what they did. She literally said "individuals aren't the enemy, the system we enable to exploit folks and keep wealth concentrated is." Getting rid of the individual (Obama, in this case) won't solve the issue unless it's coupled with a systemic analysis. I very much disagree that we should be thinking less about structural systems of oppression and more on canceling individual actors. The latter should be a result of the former, not the other way around.
King Kreole
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sheeeesh
Bernie getting played out here
Dusty Bake Activate
Fukk your corny debates
Of course there should be systemic analysis. I was more speaking on holding elected officials accountable for what they do. I may have have went too far astray in my response to @dora_da_destroyer but I think there is an insidiousness to the notion that people in positions of power don't actually rationally choose to make the decisions to implement trade deals that cause massive layoffs, or deregulate banks to allow the whole financial system to collapse. I used Obama cause he's the perfect exhibit A. I used to buy into the notion that Obama really was a progressive and couldn't be one cause he was hamstrung by the system for a long time because I really wanted to believe it, when really he was a true believer in neoliberalism, found bipartisan consensus-making the highest virtue, and probably slept with a copy of Thomas Friedman's The World Is Flat on his nightstand.
DonKnock
KPJ Gonna Save Us
sheeeesh
Bernie getting played out here
Fact Check: Joe Biden Has Advocated Cutting Social Security for 40 Years
Twitter comments on that video seem like people aren't falling for it. We'll see.
sheeeesh
Bernie getting played out here
Aimed and the king and pulled his punches.
spent all of 2019 attacking warren then she slapped back and hes been reeling for the last year week-plus
OfTheCross
Veteran
I just don't understand this Black vote hype.
Whoever the Dem is is gonna get the Black vote.
Whoever the Dem is is gonna get the Black vote.
sheeeesh
Bernie getting played out here
Seems to me he played himself telling a bold faced lie right at the beginning of the tweet, like the shyt is objectively false and laughable.
King Kreole
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I hear you, I've asked myself that exact question of Obama's true motivations. And while I believe there's enough evidence to show he doesn't actually share the same ideology as the progressive movement, I don't think it's possible to know how a more committed progressive ideologue would have been able to bring about actual materially different outcomes. At least when it comes to legislation. And because it's impossible to know, I think the energies spent on parsing one's true motivations may be better spent on altering the system's risk-reward factors to incentivize actors to move in the progressive direction. Punishing individuals may very well be a part of those risk-reward factors, but I think it's important to keep our eyes on the structure and loose sight because we're chasing individuals down rabbit holes. Like, I was and am strongly in favor of punishing the criminals of the Bush and Trump (and Obama) administrations, but I'm in favor of it because deterrence should become a feature of the system.
man, I hope Hillary keeps talking shyt. Bernie's popularity grows every time her and her corporate buddies run their mouths.