2020 Democratic Primary Thread: Focus on House & Senate races

[DonKnock]

oh he making sure those Cali polls stay true

Public enemy number one

 

[Pressure]

hes right tho, can you imagine the combined disgust from angry moderates and let-down progressives

It's rigged!

You ruined the party!

 

[Dave24]

McGovern comparisons are dumb, but it's fair to argue Sanders is could be a disaster. The nation is too partisan for us to ever see something like 1972 again. The benchmark for a modern electoral college blowout is 2008.

Sanders is on tape praising Castro and various other dictators....so take Florida off the map. He's advocating raising taxes on the middle class. He has a limited understanding of basic policy, and listening to him for 5 minutes will make that clear (which is why he repeats himself and yells). He's not a good debater (not that I think debates matter much). His surrogates are stupid and chaotic, and the power struggles during a campaign will be ugly. Why should I believe he can win?

Why should I believe he can go into the midwest and tell union workers that their insurance is going to be shyt canned and replaced by a giant government run program? Why should I believe he can even compete in Florida? You might argue no democrat is going to win Florida and sure maybe you're right...but you want to compete there, and force Trump to waste money. Sanders isn't gonna do that. Why should I believe he's going to generate the type of black turnout needed? Why should I believe his team can put together a decent national convention?

I'm not making this argument and then hitting you with "meanwhile I think x candidate can do all those things," because that candidate doesn't exist (unless Obama gets to run for a third term). These candidates are bad, folks. And they've spent half a year slaughtering each other while having little to say about Trump. I don't like what I'm seeing. Barring an economic downturn, it's hard for me to see Trump losing. I thought Biden would crush Trump, if he could get the nom. I knew he was a bad campaigner but figured as long as he can get into the general, he'll be fine. But after 6 months of watching this dude, he is NOT there mentally. Yea you can say it's the stutter, not mental...but dude just sounds off to me. That was the best shot to me. Maybe Warren if she didn't go full retard with this far left shyt.

What about steyer?

 

[Piff Perkins]

What about steyer?

nah I don't think either billionaire is a good candidate. I like Steyer way more than Bloomberg tho. Bloomberg is atrocious...

All I care about is beating Trump. Going into this I thought Biden was the best shot at that, with maybe Warren being second. No one else seemed viable to me, although Kamala is a good politician and seemed like someone who could strike gold under the right circumstances (spoiler alert: it didn't happen lmao).

 

[StatUS]

That wasn't my point and you know it.

Do you not believe a Dem administration will be at the forefront of making sure voting rights are restored to prevent these doomsday scenarios you guys are having? I think it's a silly proposition from the jump. I'd actually be willing to stake alot on a better midterm turnout for a Warren or Bernie administration because those grassroots efforts are going to finally be in power to get people out to vote which is always difficult for incumbents.

 

[Pressure]

Do you not believe a Dem administration will be at the forefront of making sure voting rights are restored to prevent these doomsday scenarios you guys are having? I think it's a silly proposition from the jump. I'd actually be willing to stake alot on a better midterm turnout for a Warren or Bernie administration because those grassroots efforts are going to finally be in power to get people out to vote which is always difficult for incumbents.

You just completely changed your entire position.

Which is it, dems are going to lose at midterms or they're going to win?

 

[StatUS]

You just completely changed your entire position.

Which is it, dems are going to lose at midterms or they're going to win?

When did I say they would lose? I said that wouldn't be any different from any other president. I then went on to explain why specific candidates in this primary have a better chance due to their unique operations. Thing is Dems usually vote when desperate, 2008 & 2018 come to mind. Alot of things lately prevent our side from turning out just to maintain power biggest is GOP tampering. But the Dem party themselves put it's voters in position for apathy with their set it and forget it mentality. I truly don't believe a Bernie or Warren administration will accept that. Their only obstacle is making sure the down ballot wins their first time around which is a valid critique from the moderate wing.

 

[R. Money]

for the rest of this thread, just post this EVERY TIME somebody is against student loan debt forgiveness because they had to pay their student loans

 

[King Kreole]

Liz on this student debt cancellation answer, my god

 

[Eternal Tecate]

Sanders is on tape praising Castro and various other dictators....so take Florida off the map.

Define praise

He's advocating raising taxes on the middle class.

He's advocating the middle class and every class saves money overall.

He has a limited understanding of basic policy, and listening to him for 5 minutes will make that clear (which is why he repeats himself and yells).

This is just...a CNN commentator level talking point with no basis in reality.

He's not a good debater (not that I think debates matter much).

He is when people let him talk.

His surrogates are stupid and chaotic, and the power struggles during a campaign will be ugly.

They're passionate, why is that a bad thing? Stupidity is extremely subjective.

Why should I believe he can win?

Because he has the most support.

Why should I believe he can go into the midwest and tell union workers that their insurance is going to be shyt canned and replaced by a giant government run program?

Because there's no such thing as a good insurance plan and union workers aren't dumb enough to fall for that line of thinking, as evidenced by Nevada.

Why should I believe he can even compete in Florida? You might argue no democrat is going to win Florida and sure maybe you're right...but you want to compete there, and force Trump to waste money. Sanders isn't gonna do that.

There's nobody being held hostage by the American economy in Florida? Nobody in debt? Nobody trapped at their job? Nobody affected by income inequality?

Why should I believe he's going to generate the type of black turnout needed?

Because he appeals to black voters the same way that he appeals to any other race. That's the point. The policies are universal.

Why should I believe his team can put together a decent national convention?

You're just looking for shyt to complain about here. Have fun voting for Trump.

 

[wire28]

Liz on this student debt cancellation answer, my god

I missed it

just got back to the crib

warren Gs how we looking?

 

[wire28]

Okkkkk Liz

show your work like 5th grade math class

 

[Pressure]

When did I say they would lose? I said that wouldn't be any different from any other president. I then went on to explain why specific candidates in this primary have a better chance due to their unique operations. Thing is Dems usually vote when desperate, 2008 & 2018 come to mind. Alot of things lately prevent our side from turning out just to maintain power biggest is GOP tampering. But the Dem party themselves put it's voters in position for apathy with their set it and forget it mentality. I truly don't believe a Bernie or Warren administration will accept that. Their only obstacle is making sure the down ballot wins their first time around which is a valid critique from the moderate wing.

And now we've talked a full circle to get back to the original point.

Unless the dems maintain the house, retake the senate, and nuke the filibuster none of Sanders major proposals are going to happen.

So you're going into a midterm without the type of success you say motivates voters during the midterm.

I'm saying as you know and have seemingly agreed with increases voter apathy on top of what we know historically for presidents not name Reagan.

 

[Uno]

Bernie bro Juelzing

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

Like I said, I know why y’all want it to happen. I would want my loans forgiven too. I don’t know your situation, so it could be a safety net for you.

However, if the government cancels all student debt, a lot of money will be spent on people who don’t need it. I support student loan cancellation, but I think the policy should include means testing.

A lot of govt money goes to people who don’t need it now...like billionaires and corporations