2020 Democratic Primary Thread: Focus on House & Senate races

[afterlife2009]

A+ poll according to 538

The biggest stumble against Trump in the new poll was by Biden, the national front-runner among Democrats for much of the year. In November, Biden had a 9-point lead against Trump in Pennsylvania, and the latest poll had them even at 47%.

2/3 say impeachment won't affect their vote in November. Of those where it has, it was more likely to help Trump. 21% say the economy is their top election issue, and 58% approve of Trump on the economy.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Like I said before, smart-dumb idiots.

If they give the non to someone who wasn't even running it's the party's death knell. Play at your own risk.

If they give the nomination to someone who wasn't running OR if they give it to someone who Bernie beat among the actual voters, they're fukked either way.

Hopefully this message about what the Democrats are planning inspires voters. Republicans were talking like this too and it backfired on them when people came out to support Trump just to ensure his ass got over the hump. Bernie needs that same sort of mass turnout.

 

[Robbie3000]

No, I just look down on certain parts of the electorate.

Thats all.

You don't have any room to talk. You have the worst political instincts of anyone in HL.

 

[Robbie3000]

I dare them to try this bullshyt.

 

[Atlrocafella]

This is why Republicans are still trying to sabotage Biden. The Biden in this clip destroys Trump.

Authentic Joe right here

 

[King Kreole]

Woke up this morning to see #PrimaryWarren trending

These people are sick in the head

 

[Th3G3ntleman]

Woke up this morning to see #PrimaryWarren trending

These people are sick in the head

They legit think Warren is fukking Bernie's surrogate. It's infuriating

 

[afterlife2009]

If they give the nomination to someone who wasn't running OR if they give it to someone who Bernie beat among the actual voters, they're fukked either way.

when i read chris c00ns as a possible savior delusional

Surprised Adam Schiff didn't get mentioned. I would get some sick enjoyment watching him scream Putin asset, read Twitter ppl saying he's talking that talk then he goes on to lose 45 states.

 

[Oldschooler]

Big news this morning about wall street and all companies predicted to have 0 profit or big losses due to the covid-19 virus. How will this fair for the leftist dems or for the environmentalist out there who's main talk about is taxing companies/wall street more, and not bailing them out? There's a very real possibility that the country could head into a recession, it will be interesting to see in the coming weeks how dems respond to the crisis.

 

[wire28]

Woke up this morning to see #PrimaryWarren trending

These people are sick in the head

The obsession is all the more bewildering being that she is the only other progressive

just another instance of Bernie or nothing from his loyal cultists

 

[Shikamaru]

 

[the cac mamba]

Big news this morning about wall street and all companies predicted to have 0 profit or big losses due to the covid-19 virus. How will this fair for the leftist dems or for the environmentalist out there who's main talk about is taxing companies/wall street more, and not bailing them out? There's a very real possibility that the country could head into a recession, it will be interesting to see in the coming weeks how dems respond to the crisis.

trump losing his talking point about "the greatest economy ever" is an enormous gift

besides that, he literally is running on nothing

 

[the cac mamba]

why the fukk didnt sherrod brown run

 

[Uno Venova]

Big news this morning about wall street and all companies predicted to have 0 profit or big losses due to the covid-19 virus. How will this fair for the leftist dems or for the environmentalist out there who's main talk about is taxing companies/wall street more, and not bailing them out? There's a very real possibility that the country could head into a recession, it will be interesting to see in the coming weeks how dems respond to the crisis.

This probably hurts Trump more than anything. Dems should hammer it home how much universal healthcare would be vital in a pandemic like this.

 

[storyteller]

Anyway, some important bits with some additional information to color them in.

First and foremost, shout out to Barack Obama for playing this situation right,

People close to Mr. Obama say he has no intention of getting involved in the primary contest, seeing his role as less of a kingmaker than as a unifying figure to help heal party divisions once Democrats settle on a nominee. He also believed that the Democratic Party shouldn’t engage in smoke-filled-room politics, arguing that those kinds of deals would have prevented him from capturing the nomination when he ran against Hillary Clinton in 2008.

Just want to point out that this claim from Warren is misleading (this is not to attack Warren for being strategic but a clarification). As Nomiki Konst has repeatedly clarified, the committee that Bernie sent representation to was predominantly Clinton and Perez appointees. The Bernie side voted to get rid of the super delegate system but were overruled. Even so, the actual Rules Committee were all assigned, so even the votes Bernie's crew were a part of only approved suggested rules. The DNC had the final say on this stuff.

In recent days, both Mr. Biden and Senator Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts said that Mr. Sanders should not become the nominee if he arrived at the convention short of a delegate majority. “Bernie had a big hand in writing these rules,” Ms. Warren said during a CNN forum on Wednesday night. “I don’t see how he thinks he gets to change them now that he thinks there’s an advantage for him.”

This bit is also a bit of a half-truth. Bernie's argument about taking superdelegates from Clinton in 2016 was that in the states that he won on polling, those super delegates should flip to him. The reason that switching Super Delegates to only impacting a contested convention was looked at as the compromise is that many super delegates pledged for Hillary before the will of the people in their states was even known. After Bernie won, he worked to get THOSE people to switch in the first round of voting. Whether you feel that is apples to apples or apples to oranges is up to you.

Caveat: Jeff Weaver did push to stick around and fish for super delegates later (not with the 2020 campaign mind you) based around the rumors about Clinton getting investigated. I haven't seen Bernie embrace that though, he released his delegates.

The argument of Mr. Sanders and his allies — that a plurality of delegates should be sufficient to clinch the nomination — is a different standard than the one laid out in party rules that his team helped draft two years ago. It’s also a reversal of their stance in 2016, when Mr. Sanders encouraged superdelegates to support him over Mrs. Clinton, who secured the majority of pledged delegates.

About Josh Gottheimer who goes heavy handed on the rhetoric here. He's also the guy who tried to build a coalition of Democrats to negotiate with Republicans around party leadership and force one of the Bidens to testify in a sort of impeachment trial hostage exchange. All signs point to this guy trying to accumulate as much power and influence as he can so that he can buck the party leadership regardless of who wins the nomination. Howie Klein who has some good sources and Sam Seder have both mentioned this guy multiple times as one to watch out for disrupting processes. Also, he's a Bloomberg guy...

“Bernie seems to have declared war on the Democratic Party — and it’s caused panic in the House ranks,” said Representative Josh Gottheimer of New Jersey, a supporter of former Mayor Michael Bloomberg of New York. Private polling of Mr. Gottheimer’s northern New Jersey district, for example, shows a double-digit gap in the approval ratings of Mr. Trump and Mr. Sanders.

Closing out, listen I don't think this actually becomes an issue if Bernie wins by a comfortable margin even if he's short of the delegate total. The other candidates need someone close enough to justify picking them. I'm guessing that you'd see a chunk of this rhetoric die down if Sanders stays close in SC or has a big Super Tuesday. If he doesn't, then all bets are off for the whole election anyway. More importantly, look at how many names these people have come up with. They're aimless in terms of selecting a leader but just certain they don't want one guy...the guy who has the most support consolidated behind him at the moment and who polls as most popular politician in the country too. It's bizarre.

Just in this article we see the names Brown, Harris, Michelle Obama, Warner, c00ns and Pelosi...At that point they're not looking for a leader, they're just throwing out a bunch of alternatives. So next time Bernie says the establishment is against him; instead of trying to identify with the establishment, I'd definitely suggest considering that only 1/10 of the 90+ delegates NYT talked to actually agrees with picking the person who gets voted the most. Bernie's not talking about the voters, he's talking about the people who have attained power to supplant the voters' influence...