2020 Democratic Primary Thread: Focus on House & Senate races

[Sohh_lifted]

@Smoking With Cigarettes @Stepintoaworld yall boy desantis

Lol that man really hasn’t done shyt except for allowing medical marijuana flower by dropping the lawsuit, and approving that highway in central Florida, bruh can’t even complete his promise of shutting down the MDX, straight clown status and the media wants to give him props for how he handled the hurricane, bytch please smh.

 

[NY's #1 Draft Pick]

Lol that man really hasn’t done shyt except for allowing medical marijuana flower by dropping the lawsuit, and approving that highway in central Florida, bruh can’t even complete his promise of shutting down the MDX, straight clown status and the media wants to give him props for how he handled the hurricane, bytch please smh.

You hear he has a trump impeachment defense fund? Forever a trump lackey. You got your own state to run and you still doing this fekkit favors?

I saw something online the other day that he was thinking of raising teachers salaries to over 40,000.

 

[Sohh_lifted]

You hear he has a trump impeachment defense fund? Forever a trump lackey. You got your own state to run and you still doing this fekkit favors?

I saw something online the other day that he was thinking of rain sing teachers salaries to over 40,000.

thats not even the least bit surprising, Gillum needs to man the fukk up and prep his senate run or another run at the governors seat.

I am also sure Desantis knows their 2018 election had interference, he was briefed it and never spoke on it really.

If he provides raises (which I doubt its been like what 18 years?) where is the money gonna come from? lol the only think I can think of is impending legal marijuana tax

 

[storyteller]

Bernie team has failed him in so many ways. I truly think he could have been at the top of the polls if he had a better team around him. Why would you have a 77/78 year old man doing 4/5 rallies a day. Why wouldn’t you pull back before a national debate Because of that schedule his voice was all fukked up during a major debate. I think the YouTube left and his team overestimated his support and popularity. TYT was using the talking point that he was the most popular politician in the country. It is a difference between people saying they have a favorable opinions of you and actually supporting you as a candidate. His team should of been better prepared for questions about reparations. Imo they thought they had the nomination on lock and missed several blind spots. With that said, if his campaign swallows some pride and change a few things, I think he still have a chance to win.

One of the most frustrating things to me was that Bernie didn't just acknowledge that he supports reparations just the same as every other primary candidate sans Williamson. He's co-sponsor on Booker's bill to study the best approach to reparations which is exactly what everyone else used to say they support reparations (again besides Williamson who's really about it). Gotta be one of the most ridiculous own goals I've ever seen. Bernie too nice to say "they're lying to yall when they say they support reparations, it's spin" but also to real to say "I support reparations the same as them" when he recognized the spin. He coulda rode this

Booker Reparations Bill Reaches 12 Senate Cosponsors | Cory Booker | U.S. Senator for New Jersey

“For centuries, America’s economic rise relied on treating millions of Black people as literal property. We have still not come to terms with the horrors of legalized slavery and its continuing impacts on our society. I am proud to co-sponsor the H.R. 40 Commission to Study and Develop Reparation Proposals for African-Americans Act to finally bring the truth about slavery into the open,” said Senator Sanders.

Shout out to Warren too

“Slavery and government-sanctioned discrimination are a stain on this country that, among many consequences, has robbed Black families of wealth in America for generations,” said Senator Warren. “This commission will help inform the conversation about the kind of systemic, structural changes we need to begin to heal.”

 

[A.R.$]

One of the most frustrating things to me was that Bernie didn't just acknowledge that he supports reparations just the same as every other primary candidate sans Williamson. He's co-sponsor on Booker's bill to study the best approach to reparations which is exactly what everyone else used to say they support reparations (again besides Williamson who's really about it). Gotta be one of the most ridiculous own goals I've ever seen. Bernie too nice to say "they're lying to yall when they say they support reparations, it's spin" but also to real to say "I support reparations the same as them" when he recognized the spin. He coulda rode this

Booker Reparations Bill Reaches 12 Senate Cosponsors | Cory Booker | U.S. Senator for New Jersey



Shout out to Warren too

I’m realistic about reparations. I understand that more ground work need to be done to gain wider support. We need to figure out what would be the best way to implement it. I actually think a commission is needed to figure this out. That is why HR40 is a good bill. Some ADOS people think Black immigrants should be entitled to reparations. But what about Black immigrants that were not here during U.S. slavery, but was here during Jim Crow? Or the Black immigrants that fell victim to the racist justice system? Or how about Haitians that had their country invaded by and occupied by the U S military for two decades starting during the Wilson administration? I understand reparations is a complex issues, but it needs to be figured out and paid out in some fashion.

My problem with Bernie is unlike other candidates he explicitly stated he is against monetary payouts. Well, what if the HR40 commission decides that monetary payments are the best options? Or some combination of monetary payments mixed with some other benefits? That means you really don’t support the bill. Also when asked about reparations on the CNN town hall, and the Breakfast Club he didn’t even mention HR40. He brought up the 10,20,30 bill which has nothing to do with reparations for Black people.

We are going have to put pressure on whoever is the Dem nominee/next president. But, I rather have a president that really don’t care about reparations one way or the other, but would support it with enough pressure, than someone like Bernie that have straight up stated he is against one of the possible reparations solutions. And because of that I think Warren would be easier to pressure than Bernie on this issue.

 

[afterlife2009]

I mean we'll see when the time comes but lol Nap about to jump ship?

 

[the kid]

For the first time in this election, someone other than Biden is leading in the RCP avg of polls. E. Warren just edged ahead yesterday.

 

[No1]

I’m realistic about reparations. I understand that more ground work need to be done to gain wider support. We need to figure out what would be the best way to implement it. I actually think a commission is needed to figure this out. That is why HR40 is a good bill. Some ADOS people think Black immigrants should be entitled to reparations. But what about Black immigrants that were not here during U.S. slavery, but was here during Jim Crow? Or the Black immigrants that fell victim to the racist justice system? Or how about Haitians that had their country invaded by and occupied by the U S military for two decades starting during the Wilson administration? I understand reparations is a complex issues, but it needs to be figured out and paid out in some fashion.

My problem with Bernie is unlike other candidates he explicitly stated he is against monetary payouts. Well, what if the HR40 commission decides that monetary payments are the best options? Or some combination of monetary payments mixed with some other benefits? That means you really don’t support the bill. Also when asked about reparations on the CNN town hall, and the Breakfast Club he didn’t even mention HR40. He brought up the 10,20,30 bill which has nothing to do with reparations for Black people.

We are going have to put pressure on whoever is the Dem nominee/next president. But, I rather have a president that really don’t care about reparations one way or the other, but would support it with enough pressure, than someone like Bernie that have straight up stated he is against one of the possible reparations solutions. And because of that I think Warren would be easier to pressure than Bernie on this issue.

I’m going to keep it real with you, the ADOS reparations vote is not a game changer anywhere in 2019 so you’re frustrations are you and 100,000 people on the internet. Bernie was just the only one real enough to be like these nikkas ain’t passing that. It took them 12 years to support Medicare for all and most recipients would be white.

 

[No1]

I mean we'll see when the time comes but lol Nap about to jump ship?

Sanders continues to move the primary left. Even if you don’t vote for him, how can any left person want him to drop out? The guy is the moral center of the party. There are about 8 people I’m mad about before the old man.

 

[King Kreole]

I mean we'll see when the time comes but lol Nap about to jump ship?

There's a difference between refusing to personally hold big-money fundraising events in the general and refusing to accept corporate/big-money contributions in the general. The former is consistent with her original principle, while the latter, which is what anti-Warren people have been attempting to criticize her for, would in fact be unilateral disarmament. This isn't a reversal to me, it's just her further clarifying her point. She's targeting the real mechanism of political corruption, which is access.

 

[King Kreole]

I’m going to keep it real with you, the ADOS reparations vote is not a game changer anywhere in 2019 so you’re frustrations are you and 100,000 people on the internet. Bernie was just the only one real enough to be like these nikkas ain’t passing that. It took them 12 years to support Medicare for all and most recipients would be white.

By that logic, when will Bernie be real about M4A not passing? I thought this whole thing was about staking out principled positions, however unlikely, so as to shift the Overton window and build support to make enacting these policies a reality.

 

[storyteller]

I’m realistic about reparations. I understand that more ground work need to be done to gain wider support. We need to figure out what would be the best way to implement it. I actually think a commission is needed to figure this out. That is why HR40 is a good bill. Some ADOS people think Black immigrants should be entitled to reparations. But what about Black immigrants that were not here during U.S. slavery, but was here during Jim Crow? Or the Black immigrants that fell victim to the racist justice system? Or how about Haitians that had their country invaded by and occupied by the U S military for two decades starting during the Wilson administration? I understand reparations is a complex issues, but it needs to be figured out and paid out in some fashion.

Bernie agrees with HR 40, but that's a House bill. Sanders co-sponsored a mirror version that Booker put forward in the Senate (Warren too). The thing is, when Bernie asked "what do they mean?" by reparations, he was alluding to the types of questions you raise (otherwise, why would he co-sponsor legislation that every other candidate is using to claim their support for reparations?).

My problem with Bernie is unlike other candidates he explicitly stated he is against monetary payouts. Well, what if the HR40 commission decides that monetary payments are the best options? Or some combination of monetary payments mixed with some other benefits? That means you really don’t support the bill. Also when asked about reparations on the CNN town hall, and the Breakfast Club he didn’t even mention HR40. He brought up the 10,20,30 bill which has nothing to do with reparations for Black people.

This is why I call it a rhetorical own goal. Bernie supports exactly what the rest of them do in the reparations discussion but got hit with gotcha's and didn't respond well. But let's be honest, do you seriously believe that if a commission came up with cash payments as the best solution that Bernie would say "nah, I'm good?" I'd equate that to the semi-paranoid takes on Warren's rhetoric with M4A. If you know the candidate, you've heard enough to trust that they'll follow through with what's pragmatic. Matter of fact, I'd trust Bernie to be willing to apply bold solutions if they come out of that study moreso than MOST of the more "practical" candidates who are concerned with spending.

And also, why does 10 20 30 get such a raw deal? I feel like it's a perfect compliment (one that is immediately actionable) to HR 40 (one that will take time to reach conclusions and require additional action afterward). 10 20 30 is what Obama applied to his Recovery Act which had a visible positive impact (the biggest flaw to that plan imo was that they should have put more money into it...that's something Bernie more than any other candidate would be likely to do). If I'm not mistaken Booker's Baby Bonds plan also applies the 10 20 30 principle and that's specifically meant to address the racial wealth gap (with very optimistic projections). So Bernie supports the same exact study on reparations that everyone else does and wants to apply Clyburn's 10 20 30 principle to legislation which in practice has an impact on the racial wealth gap in potentially dramatic fashion. That means you've got direct action to address the racial wealth gap AND the same reparations study everyone else is talking about. Pairing the two seems like the best approach to me from a pragmatic perspective. While the study takes time reaching conclusions and the solutions may or may not be taken up depending on the make-up of our legislative and executive branches; you can take direct action to address racial wealth gaps via policies that reflect the 10 20 30 concept. I legitimately think more candidates should be talking about 10 20 30 in addition to supporting a reparations study.

We are going have to put pressure on whoever is the Dem nominee/next president. But, I rather have a president that really don’t care about reparations one way or the other, but would support it with enough pressure, than someone like Bernie that have straight up stated he is against one of the possible reparations solutions. And because of that I think Warren would be easier to pressure than Bernie on this issue.

Again, I think this is applying the absolute worst reading of Bernie's responses and assuming Bernie will be immovable in light of (hypothetical) information that says the best approach to tackling inequality would be cash payments. I'm confident we could pressure Warren AND Bernie on the issue, as a matter of fact...I don't think that we would have to in light of the results of the study. I also don't think the study should the be-all, end-all of the racial wealth gap discussion when other policy ideas are out there that could have big positive impacts. Warren's housing plan, Bernie's GND, Booker's Baby Bonds...those aren't reparations, but their impacts would be truly positive plus all three bill authors are also signed on to the Senate's version of HR 40 (Booker's the author).

 

[No1]

By that logic, when will Bernie be real about M4A not passing? I thought this whole thing was about staking out principled positions, however unlikely, so as to shift the Overton window and build support to make enacting these policies a reality.

It’s not the same thing. The modern fight for Medicare for all began in 2007. It now has majority support and a lot of that has to do with the failures of Obamacare and Republican obstruction. There are actual bills explaining how it will be done and countless studies. Sanders can credibly say it’s the better idea and the will of the people. The idea of reparations and ADOS picked up steam in the past year and has not even found clear majority support among the group of people deserving of it. It’s not remotely the same. He should’ve been more real about the study but otherwise, it’s not the same thing. If this was 3 years from now with support among like 65 percent of AAs then he’d be remiss but it’s not even like a top 5 agenda right now for black people.

 

[King Kreole]

It’s not the same thing. The modern fight for Medicare for all began in 2007. It now has majority support and a lot of that has to do with the failures of Obamacare and Republican obstruction. There are actual bills explaining how it will be done and countless studies. Sanders can credibly say it’s the better idea and the will of the people. The idea of reparations and ADOS picked up steam in the past year and has not even found clear majority support among the group of people deserving of it. It’s not remotely the same. He should’ve been more real about the study but otherwise, it’s not the same thing. If this was 3 years from now with support among like 65 percent of AAs then he’d be remiss but it’s not even like a top 5 agenda right now for black people.

The whole point of Bernie's appeal is that he's not a poll-testing politician who only supports something once it has majority support. He's supposed to be the deeply moralistic crusader who fights for what's right, status quo be damned.

 

[John Reena]

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