2020 Democratic Primary Thread: Focus on House & Senate races

[StatUS]

Is the electorate really going to be concerned about private health care people losing their jobs? Are we fanatic about those corporations like Google and Apple?

Now looking at Warren's plan I still find it incredibly hard to implement a single payer system without taxing everyone. By its name that has to be the case. Moving money around here and there and depending on states to continue to pay when some may decline or fight her will still leave openings for her opponents. And Trump won't let up either.

 

[King Kreole]

Elizabeth.

She’s the one.

 

[No1]

@dtownreppin214 you have to actually read beyond headlines. Warren’s policy doesn’t actually work because employers will simply just hire a bunch of independent contractors and dodge the tax.

@Th3G3ntleman serious question because now I’m starting to think @Mephistopheles is right, you guys are either are voting on personal like or just don’t care that much about policy but the idea of it......what policies do you strongly want to see enacted? Who has the best plan for them and what are you using to come to that conclusion. Saying “purity” test is absurd. Fighting for what you believe in isn’t purity. Warren’s plan is good for campaigning but is bad overall. Anyone who thinks that it’s good must not understand what it actually says. This and her foreign policy stances are probably her two missteps so far. I’m positive this will show up in the next debate.

 

[ADevilYouKhow]

Warren Leads Tight Iowa Race as Biden Fades, Poll Finds


Elizabeth Warren Proposes $20.5 Trillion Health Care Plan

 

[Th3G3ntleman]

@Th3G3ntleman serious question because now I’m starting to think @Mephistopheles is right, you guys are either are voting on personal like or just don’t care that much about policy but the idea of it......what policies do you strongly want to see enacted? Who has the best plan for them and what are you using to come to that conclusion. Saying “purity” test is absurd. Fighting for what you believe in isn’t purity. Warren’s plan is good for campaigning but is bad overall. Anyone who thinks that it’s good must not understand what it actually says. This and her foreign policy stances are probably her two missteps so far. I’m positive this will show up in the next debate.

I care about getting money out of politics, doing something about wealth inequality, and getting rid of the filibuster. I don't give a fukk really about foreign policy outside of surface level shyt. I think medicare for all is a pipe dream and that Liz should of probably abandon it, but the fact that she is competent enough to come up with an actual funding strategy one that doesn't fail right out of the gates(tax increase on the middle class? Good luck) is why she's my candidate. There are holes in her plan but she is competent enough to use this as a framework and build it to something truly effective. In the meantime she dodges the soundbite and now has a plan distinct enough that she can call it her own.

I care more about competency than anything else really when it comes to this job at this time.Movements and a country wide worker strike or whatever abstract nice feeling bullshyt doesn't light any fire in my loins. I don't want to hear about change or any of that shyt. Yall had me with that change shyt with Obama. Want me to believe in your "fight" give me more than just creating a movement or organizing or someshyt like that. I don't know what that means and I don't really want to know.

Sidenote: Voting for the 94 crimebill regardless of rationale is damn near disqualifying for me. A devastating piece of legislation for African Americans > some southern white girl trying to claim Native to appear more exotic.

 

[NkrumahWasRight Is Wrong]

@dtownreppin214 you have to actually read beyond headlines. Warren’s policy doesn’t actually work because employers will simply just hire a bunch of independent contractors and dodge the tax.

@Th3G3ntleman serious question because now I’m starting to think @Mephistopheles is right, you guys are either are voting on personal like or just don’t care that much about policy but the idea of it......what policies do you strongly want to see enacted? Who has the best plan for them and what are you using to come to that conclusion. Saying “purity” test is absurd. Fighting for what you believe in isn’t purity. Warren’s plan is good for campaigning but is bad overall. Anyone who thinks that it’s good must not understand what it actually says. This and her foreign policy stances are probably her two missteps so far. I’m positive this will show up in the next debate.

Correct

 

[88m3]

@dtownreppin214 you have to actually read beyond headlines. Warren’s policy doesn’t actually work because employers will simply just hire a bunch of independent contractors and dodge the tax.

lets put on our thinking caps on for a minute and think about it. Okay. You know there is a problem and I know there is a problem. So lets now tighten our labor laws in a meaningful and effective way so that companies can't do that. We also need to enforce laws that are already on the books, a lot of people are hired as contractors to deny them benefits when they don't meet the conditions of being contractors.

Now I have some really cool anecdotals to share as well!

People other than me work for a state agency in a legal department and they're all hired as contractors to avoid pesky things like health insurance and other benefits. Let that sink in! It's a state agency gaming the system on their own legal staff!

Another common one I come across often in the city is restaurants paying the fine/fee instead of giving their employees health insurance. I'm not sure if the fine/fee makes up for the cost of their employees not having health insurance to the state but I sincerely doubt it.

 

[Berniewood Hogan]

In every photo of Warren she looks like a slight breeze would knock her over.

 

[No1]

lets put on our thinking caps on for a minute and think about it. Okay. You know there is a problem and I know there is a problem. So lets now tighten our labor laws in a meaningful and effective way so that companies can't do that. We also need to enforce laws that are already on the books, a lot of people are hired as contractors to deny them benefits when they don't meet the conditions of being contractors.

Now I have some really cool anecdotals to share as well!

People other than me work for a state agency in a legal department and they're all hired as contractors to avoid pesky things like health insurance and other benefits. Let that sink in! It's a state agency gaming the system on their own legal staff!

Another common one I come across often in the city is restaurants paying the fine/fee instead of giving their employees health insurance. I'm not sure if the fine/fee makes up for the cost of their employees not having health insurance to the state but I sincerely doubt it.

This why a payroll tax is more effective than what Warren is putting forward. You get taxed on that no matter the designation of the employee. But at least she put forth a plan whereas Bernie said he doesn’t fee like he has to do that right now.

 

[Warren Moon]

Is the electorate really going to be concerned about private health care people losing their jobs? Are we fanatic about those corporations like Google and Apple?

Now looking at Warren's plan I still find it incredibly hard to implement a single payer system without taxing everyone. By its name that has to be the case. Moving money around here and there and depending on states to continue to pay when some may decline or fight her will still leave openings for her opponents. And Trump won't let up either.

I mean we’ve been funneling ppl into healthcare admin jobs for 4-5 decades now as safe positions.

At the end of 2017 healthcare related jobs with the bulk of those jobs being admin jobs she wants to eliminate, was the 2nd most popular major. The 6 most popular college majors
A lot of ppl thought healthcare was a good career choice . Doctors and nurses won’t be cut. But healthcare administrators, salesmen, manufacturing jobs for equipment etc. would have to be eliminated quickly.



Safe estimates are 2 million people lose their jobs the first 6 months with about another 2 million over the span of 10 years.

https://nypost.com/2019/05/07/medicare-for-all-is-a-job-killer-for-americas-largest-industry/

Some ppl are cool with it. Opinion | ‘Medicare for All’ Could Kill Two Million Jobs, and That’s O.K.


It’s up to each individual person on they they feel about it. I’m about 50/50. Too many ppl work in healthcare but for forever ppl told students and workers healthcare was a “safe industry” so risk adverse ppl went there.

Either way. 1.5-2% of the entire work force in America is fired when m4all is implemented.

At minimum they need to be retrained bc they can’t just go work for a competitor. Those jobs are gone too. A lot of the “savings” liz tours are administrative costs which mean jobs.

Just for context. From 1920 to 2020 over 100 years the us lost 700,000 coal jobs total. And ppl almost rioted

She wants to triple that in 6 months and the job loss isn’t concentrated to just a few states like coal was. It’s in every state. That’s a lot of ppl who vote with family members who vote.

I’m sure those people won’t care though that there are no plans to re-train them.

 

[Warren Moon]

Elizabeth.

She’s the one.

Just an FYI guys. This guy is a foreigner posting as though he’s a USA voter.

 

[Pull Up the Roots]

I mean, that's the reality of it all though. A laughing image doesn't change that. It just signals they have no real intent on honestly engaging with that reality.

Earlier this month, Obama headlined a fundraiser for the National Democratic Redistricting Committee, a group led by former Attorney General Eric Holder, in New York City. Obama is positioning himself to play a unifying role and to help fill the party’s coffers while the dozen-plus candidates running for the nomination battle it out and raise money for their own campaigns.

Earlier this year, Obama announced the ‘Democratic Unity Fund’ that will back the party’s eventual nominee.

“The Democratic Unity Fund is a promise that whoever earns our nomination, he or she will have a strong, united, and well-organized DNC ready to spring into action the moment the general election starts,” Obama said this May, “a DNC that’s ready to lift us all to victory in November.

 

[the next guy]

Just an FYI guys. This guy is a foreigner posting as thougA he’s a USA voter.

stop

 

[Warren Moon]

stop

If im lying and I’m incorrect I will.

Why don’t you tell him to stop acting like he’s an American?

This is exactly how trump was pushed through the republican primaries

Fake ppl posting stuff about him constantly online.

 

[Jhoon]

I'm legit proud of Warren for not backing down and getting this done so quickly. Time to send her more money.

She had a plan in a month. The republicans have told us for almost a decade that they have a better plan the ACA. However, we would have to repeal the ACA first.