2020 Democratic Primary Thread: Focus on House & Senate races

[NkrumahWasRight Is Wrong]

What does having a team called the Redskins have to do with Warren lying about her race and making up Romeo and Juliet about her supposedly Cherokee family????

What is with Warren supporters trying to obfuscate this issue by dismissing it as “identity politics” and bringing up title ix affirmative action, or talking about sports team logos or whatever?

SHE LIED ABOUT HER RACE AND HER FAMILY TO BENEFIT HERSELF. This is about character, and swing voters will pay attention.

They want to see her as the near perfect candidate and are sensitive to critiques of her. She lied about her heritage for tangible personal gain and while it may be a minor thing..it was pretty audacious of her to do that and its comical to see how she has tried to rectify it by taking that ludicrous DNA test.

It honestly doesnt faze me much because all..or atleast the vast majority..of politicians are liars and crooks. Warren supporters refuse to believe that of her

I dont know how much it will hurt her if she gets the nomination but it surely isnt gonna help. Thats for sure

 

[NkrumahWasRight Is Wrong]

You keep repeating this and it's actually not true. You're regurgitating the Trump/Republican smear. The motivation behind her identification with Native American ancestry was genuine, but still wrong. Her crime is ignorance, not malice or greed. She, like very many white people from the Oklahoma area, believed family tales about having Native American descent. She was too credulous about this family lore and went too far with it, but there is no evidence she personally benefited from this self-identification. Harvard did. Boston Globe looked into this and debunked the smear.

Ethnicity not a factor in Elizabeth Warren’s rise in law - The Boston Globe

So she identified as Cherokee because she was proud of being Cherokee and not because there was something to gain from it?

 

[King Kreole]

So she identified as Cherokee because she was proud of being Cherokee and not because there was something to gain from it?

 

[A.R.$]

You keep repeating this and it's actually not true. You're regurgitating the Trump/Republican smear. The motivation behind her identification with Native American ancestry was genuine, but still wrong. Her crime is ignorance, not malice or greed. She, like very many white people from the Oklahoma area, believed family tales about having Native American descent. She was too credulous about this family lore and went too far with it, but there is no evidence she personally benefited from this self-identification. Harvard did. Boston Globe looked into this and debunked the smear.

Ethnicity not a factor in Elizabeth Warren’s rise in law - The Boston Globe

Repeating the smear to remind us what the Republican smear-machine will be saying is useful, but repeating it gullibly is a bad look.

I agree with you. Unfortunately sometimes people believe what they want to believe. This topic is highly annoying to me. We should be discussing policy and not this bullshyt

 

[NkrumahWasRight Is Wrong]

Haha ok u got it

 

[King Kreole]

I agree with you. Unfortunately sometimes people believe what they want to believe. This topic is highly annoying to me. We should be discussing policy and not this bullshyt

I find it very concerning and aggravating how easily people swallow the right-wing framing of issues. Social and political discourse is totally captured by the right, but we allow it to happen when we don't challenge their attempts to craft reality around their lies.

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

You keep repeating this and it's actually not true. You're regurgitating the Trump/Republican smear. The motivation behind her identification with Native American ancestry was genuine, but still wrong. Her crime is ignorance, not malice or greed. She, like very many white people from the Oklahoma area, believed family tales about having Native American descent. She was too credulous about this family lore and went too far with it, but there is no evidence she personally benefited from this self-identification. Harvard did. Boston Globe looked into this and debunked the smear.

Ethnicity not a factor in Elizabeth Warren’s rise in law - The Boston Globe

Repeating the smear to remind us what the Republican smear-machine will be saying is useful, but repeating it gullibly is a bad look.

Oh please. with this bullshyt. I can’t believe you’re going with this.

She knew she was white. She has a mirror. You can’t tell me a grown woman with a Ph.D and is on Harvard’s faculty for 9 years really thought she was American Indian the whole time.

She has no tribal affiliation and never provided and documents or evidence other than she has high cheekbones.

And she made up that bullshyt story about her parents eloping because her mom was native American lol.

I know you’re a white guy from Slovenia or wherever but let me tell you that in America there is no epidemic of midwesterners actually thinking they’re native American. There is however a bunch of white people who CLAIM they are native American because it makes them feel special or something.

This isn’t a right wing smear. It’s a real bad look for your girl.

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

I find it very concerning and aggravating how easily people swallow the right-wing framing of issues. Social and political discourse is totally captured by the right, but we allow it to happen when we don't challenge their attempts to craft reality around their lies.

Yeah pointing out someone lied about their race their whole life and made up a fictional story about her parents eloping over it is right wing framing.

 

[NkrumahWasRight Is Wrong]

Yeah pointing out someone lied about their race their whole life and made up a fictional story about her parents eloping over it is right wing framing.

I fail to see how there is a massive difference between this and dolezal. Dolezal clearly worse but still, point remains.

Anyways whatever. Im not gonna comment on it again

 

[King Kreole]

Oh please. with this bullshyt. I can’t believe you’re going with this.

She knew she was white. She has a mirror. You can’t tell me a grown woman with a Ph.D and is on Harvard’s faculty for 9 years really thought she was American Indian the whole time.

She has no tribal affiliation and never provided and documents or evidence other than she has high cheekbones.

And she made up that bullshyt story about her parents eloping because her mom was native American lol.

I know you’re a white guy from Slovenia or wherever but let me tell you that in America there is no epidemic of midwesterners thinking they’re native American. There is however a bunch of white people who CLAIM they are native American because it makes them feel special or something.

This isn’t a right wing smear. It’s a real bad look for your girl.

White people claiming Native heritage is in fact a real problem. And it doesn't start and end with Elizabeth Warren. You can't throw a rock at a crowd of white people in Oklahoma without hitting one who claims to be Native or have Native ancestry, particularly Cherokee. For white people like Elizabeth Warren (aka white people with Liberal beliefs), it's a way to offload the cognitive dissonance of knowing that their racial identity is tied to white supremacy. For them, whiteness is a stain and a burden, and they try to displace it through identification with a non-white racial group. The unique and tragic history of Native American communities means they're the closest viable identity to adopt. You should get educated on this topic.

No, you are not part Cherokee.

Regardless, contrary to the Republican talking point you're regurgitating in here, there is absolutely no evidence that Elizabeth Warren ever materially benefitted from identifying as a Native American. If you have done some investigative journalism around this and found evidence, I would advise you to reach out to the Boston Globe's world-renowned investigative journalism team and inform them of their mistake.

Also Oklahoma isn't in the midwest, it's in the South.

 

[Red Shield]

Most white people think they're Indians. Functionally, people don't care.

Really all that had to be said.


This Warren lied about being native shyt is a non-starter

 

[ADevilYouKhow]

Klobuchar says she killed a duck while golfing

lol wut?

 

[afterlife2009]

My only comment on this: Criticizing Liz about this is not a rightwing talking point. Even if you don't personally think this is disqualifying it says a lot about the normalization of it.

The Native issue needs to be addressed during the primary. You guys know how dogshyt our media is. If she gets the nomination, that will be story of the general election 24/7 when she is no longer getting this friendly coverage from the press and the narrative shifts.

The hardest she has been pressed this entire cycle on anything was by the Breakfast Club..... lol our press is awful

This red carpet treatment that she is getting will end if she gets the nomination. We haven’t seen how she deals with an actual negative cycle yet. Go look at how she almost blew her 2012 senate run when she started getting criticized by the press, was ducking media apperances and was avoiding to meet Natives. It will come up again and she needs to have a better answer for it than the stuttering mess she gave Charlamagne. It's naive as hell to think that this issue has run its course when it almost sinked her in her senate

Bad week may haunt Warren - The Boston Globe

“"Native Americans tried to meet with her in Boston but she declined. At last week’s Democratic convention, they again tried to meet with her; she again refused.” What’s Wrong With The Warren Campaign

 

[King Kreole]

My only comment on this: Criticizing Liz about this is not a rightwing talking point. Even if you don't personally think this is disqualifying it says a lot about the normalization of it.

The Native issue needs to be addressed during the primary. You guys know how dogshyt our media is. If she gets the nomination, that will be story of the general election 24/7 when she is no longer getting this friendly coverage from the press and the narrative shifts.

The hardest she has been pressed this entire cycle on anything was by the Breakfast Club..... lol our press is awful

This red carpet treatment that she is getting will end if she gets the nomination. We haven’t seen how she deals with an actual negative cycle yet. Go look at how she almost blew her 2012 senate run when she started getting criticized by the press, was ducking media apperances and was avoiding to meet Natives. It will come up again and she needs to have a better answer for it than the stuttering mess she gave Charlamagne. It's naive as hell to think that this issue has run its course when it almost sinked her in her senate

Bad week may haunt Warren - The Boston Globe

I hear you and broadly agree, but she has addressed it to the degree it can be addressed. She apologized, said why it was a mistake to do so, met with Native community leaders, and then released a comprehensive policy plan to bolster the Native American community. That's not going to make the issue disappear, but nothing will. So it's either she drops out right now because Trump plans on calling her Pocahantas during the general, or she nuts up and moves on. She's chosen the latter. She's obviously not the same first time political candidate she was when she ran for Senate, so I'm not sure the comparison is valid.

I disagree that she's gotten a red carpet treatment by the press. She was totally written off right after she announced and rolled out the DNA video. People were writing her campaign obit. She fought and earned her way to the top by running a fantastic campaign. But the press and other campaigns are turning up the heat on her again and going negative now that she's co-frontrunner, so to your point we're already seeing any "red carpet treatment" end.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

My only comment on this: Criticizing Liz about this is not a rightwing talking point. Even if you don't personally think this is disqualifying it says a lot about the normalization of it.

The Native issue needs to be addressed during the primary. You guys know how dogshyt our media is. If she gets the nomination, that will be story of the general election 24/7 when she is no longer getting this friendly coverage from the press and the narrative shifts.

The hardest she has been pressed this entire cycle on anything was by the Breakfast Club..... lol our press is awful

This red carpet treatment that she is getting will end if she gets the nomination. We haven’t seen how she deals with an actual negative cycle yet. Go look at how she almost blew her 2012 senate run when she started getting criticized by the press, was ducking media apperances and was avoiding to meet Natives. It will come up again and she needs to have a better answer for it than the stuttering mess she gave Charlamagne. It's naive as hell to think that this issue has run its course when it almost sinked her in her senate

Bad week may haunt Warren - The Boston Globe

my nikka. its literally the first thing she did.