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I hear you, I've asked myself that exact question of Obama's true motivations. And while I believe there's enough evidence to show he doesn't actually share the same ideology as the progressive movement, I don't think it's possible to know how a more committed progressive ideologue would have been able to bring about actual materially different outcomes. At least when it comes to legislation. And because it's impossible to know, I think the energies spent on parsing one's true motivations may be better spent on altering the system's risk-reward factors to incentivize actors to move in the progressive direction. Punishing individuals may very well be a part of those risk-reward factors, but I think it's important to keep our eyes on the structure and loose sight because we're chasing individuals down rabbit holes. Like, I was and am strongly in favor of punishing the criminals of the Bush and Trump (and Obama) administrations, but I'm in favor of it because deterrence should become a feature of the system.
Obama is a progressive who actually likes getting things done.

he knows he's judged on his accomplishments, not his visions.

White progressives dont care about actually getting shyt done.
 

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:mjlol: man, I hope Hillary keeps talking shyt. Bernie's popularity grows every time her and her corporate buddies run their mouths.

Hopefully Obama is next lol

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Seems to me he played himself telling a bold faced lie right at the beginning of the tweet, like the shyt is objectively false and laughable.

he never has tried to cut social security. Only including it in budget freezes.

It’s sad Bernie is going this low.

Playing your cards as a democrat forcing republicans to make a deal by including Freezing social security in other things they freeze. Is telling them if your going to hold paychecks, hold all paychecks not just government employees . Be about that life if you’re really about it.

Social security checks are paid even during a shutdown.

Republicans aren’t about that life. Calling their bluff is ballsy,

some would call it presidential :wow:


I chose not to respond on the topic while y’all had ur misinformation circle jerk. But u need to call a spade a spade.
 
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I was providing some context as to why this thread isn't that toxic. Did you used to post in KTL?
I posted back then. I remember some of these posters not supporting Obama in the primaries until it became obvious.

Just because that was a more toxic forum doesn’t mean this thread isn’t toxic. What I am telling you is that it’s irrelevant.
 

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he never has tried to cut social security. Only including it in budget freezes.

It’s sad Bernie is going this low.

Playing your cards as a democrat forcing republicans to make a deal by including Freezing social security in other things they freeze. Is telling them if your going to hold paychecks, hold all paychecks not just government employees . Be about that life if you’re really about it.

Social security checks are paid even during a shutdown.

Republicans aren’t about that life. Calling their bluff is ballsy,

some would call it presidential :wow:


I chose not to respond on the topic while y’all had ur misinformation circle jerk. But u need to call a spade a spade.

You're breaking my heart :mjlol:

Joe should have left well enough alone. nikka can't even keep his teeth in let alone keep track of what lie he's about to tell next.
 

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This is exactly what should have been done weeks ago.

Put it on YouTube and Facebook so boomers and silent generation can see this shid.

Bernie not giving a ffffuuuucccckkkk!!!!! :wow:


see how the pros do it?

Sanders is a pro

Thats their problem.

Theres 10000000 examples of Biden lying about social security.

Sanders is the arbiter of progressive policies.

kthx.

he needs a podcast :lupe:

I never understood how triggered people get on this forum about reading pro-bernie content.

shyt is so wild to me.

some of us just have problems with Biden.


:siren:

:siren:

:siren:
 

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Bernie not giving a ffffuuuucccckkkk!!!!! :wow:


see how the pros do it?

Sanders is a pro

Thats their problem.

Theres 10000000 examples of Biden lying about social security.

Sanders is the arbiter of progressive policies.

kthx.

he needs a podcast :lupe:

I never understood how triggered people get on this forum about reading pro-bernie content.

shyt is so wild to me.

some of us just have problems with Biden.


:siren:

:siren:

:siren:

The Bernie campaign podcast replays Biden's own words :russ:

 

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You're breaking my heart :mjlol:

Joe should have left well enough alone. nikka can't even keep his teeth in let alone keep track of what lie he's about to tell next.

Let them fight :hubie:




:huhldup:


lol how can u get mad about this video?

fukk republicans. If theyre about it, be about it. You’re willing to sacrifice some ppl not getting paid, why not everyone?

I’m glad Biden tried to add social security to the government freeze. Force their hand, a deal will be completed within 24 hours to one week.
 
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