I think he’s one of those TLR guys who migrated here a couple of months ago
2020 Democratic Primary Thread: Focus on House & Senate races
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DonKnock
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Then you would see that this is the exact policy Bernie is advocating, have the government negotiate prices on behalf of Medicare and allow foreign imports of drugs that are made here and then sold in Canada which would reduce the price due to actual competition.
The true story of America’s sky-high prescription drug prices
All politicians are the same — who take corporate money. Because they are then beholden to their corporate donors. That is why Sanders takes only small individual donations and no PAC or corporate donors.
Name another presidential candidate that has done that before you start making false equivalences again.
the harsh reality is that the progressive vote nationally is the least needed vote in an electoral college system. The progressive vote is the most highly concentrated vote within one specific area, urban metropolitans districts.
If you identify members of the progressive caucus and look at the votes in the districts they represent. Moderates win most of those districts with or without progressives.
There was no electoral college involved in 2018. Completely ignored my post.
If you want to reduce elections down to presidential only, when evaluating the value of progressive voters then that's extremely shortsighted. Also hilarious, considering what happened in 2016.
I live in a district right now that has a moderate House Rep who flipped a red seat in 2018. She isn't doing that without progressive voters, despite your fantasy.
I mean I along with other black ppl with boots on the ground are anti small donations validating a progressive presidential candidate bc it invalidates black candidates coming from black districts day 1. They don’t have the population base to compete with those numbers. That’s why you don’t see black pundits who even support Bernie/Warren push this narrative bc to be blunt, it’s a product institutionalized racism.****edit and that’s why why you don’t see Bernie/Warren ever post the percentages of which races gave the most money to their campaigns via small donations
in saying that yes, having a government arm negotiate prices will help the USA. However that doesn’t negate my point that other socialized countries costs will rise.
they have a better negation position due to the USA’s current state. That inherent advantage is negated once the biggest buyer has that card to play to. It’s Econ 101. You’re agreeing with my point
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She’s not. shes a moderate that needed progressive votes.
A progressive nominee can’t do that tho, bc there’s not enough of you to do that.
just using your example of house reps that flipped red seats blue. 40/41 of those flips were by moderates.
if white progressive ideals appealed to ppl so broadly, there’s be a track record of them being able to do so.
If you can only do it 3% of the time. That’s not a winning plan?
There’s nothing there, just hopes and dreams.
Which is the exact problem with your argument.
You admit that my current rep would not have won without the progressive vote, then also celebrate the idea of progressives leaving. Without the progressive vote in 2018, it's unlikely that we even have impeachment right now.
A progressive nominee can't do it on their own under this two party system that's true. Neither can moderates. If progressive voters get so fed up that they defect from the party, that is not good news for you. You said it yourself, moderates need the progressive vote.
Moderate set are the kids who were too afraid to leave "base" playing tag growing up
They point to 2018 but never the 2010, '12, '14, or '16 elections. 2018 was a rebuke of trump and Republicans. The reason we took Ls pretty much all last decade until 2018 is because Democrats didnt sincerely fight for working folks after being elected in 2008
Yall just want to get the seat, but dont realize a Biden administration is an auto loss to Hawley in 2024 who wont be incompetent when implementing his brand of fascism. Working/poor folks are only going to come out if you're fighting on their behalf.. warren/bernie/Steyer are the only ones even slightly believable about having that fight
They point to 2018 but never the 2010, '12, '14, or '16 elections. 2018 was a rebuke of trump and Republicans. The reason we took Ls pretty much all last decade until 2018 is because Democrats didnt sincerely fight for working folks after being elected in 2008
Yall just want to get the seat, but dont realize a Biden administration is an auto loss to Hawley in 2024 who wont be incompetent when implementing his brand of fascism. Working/poor folks are only going to come out if you're fighting on their behalf.. warren/bernie/Steyer are the only ones even slightly believable about having that fight
I mean Bidens protecting way more jobs than Bernie or Liz. It’s one of the reasons why he’s winning Pennsylvania.
Being very pro climate change and fighting for the middle class workers is starting to be an oxymoron.
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Your honor, I was merely capping.
Bernie even doing numbers compared to Biden in Texas?
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Veteran
trump is SHOOK of debating bernie
it would be a bloodbath. bernie would go right at his fukkin throat in front of the entire country