2020 Democratic Primary Thread: Focus on House & Senate races

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

How is Warren polling in the south? Not looking good in NH.

Honestly, most black people ESPECIALLY black women I know REALLY love her in the south but Biden has their support because they just want to beat Trump.

Anyone who tells you warren is unpopular is a liar. They like her just fine. The problem has always been Biden perceived strength against Trump.

Its Bernie no one fukks with.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

been saying this shyt for months the only person she is fukking over is bernie


If she truly wants these progressive changes to be made then get the fukk out of the way

This isn't true.

Warren is basically every candidate's second choice.

if she drops out, Biden basically is back in a massive first place run.

Warren's supporters don't like Bernie like that. Especially the black support.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

And this is why you are going to lose again. You vote based on animus towards other candidates and what you feel is owed to you. The people who actually decide the outcome of elections, i.e. the 20 million people who showed up to vote for Obama but stayed home for Clinton, vote based on how they think the election will effect their lives. They're not voting for an idol to worship, they're voting because they have bills.

 

[PoorAndDangerous]

M4A is wildly popular AND bipartisan?

A M4A plan that raises taxes on the middle class WILL NOT get a majority of Dem senator votes and will get ZERO Republican support. TBH, it won't even pass the House. That's the reality of the situation.

You Bernie Bros need to go back to your Minecraft and Magic cards and let the grown ups handle this. Warren has the most feasible plan and even her plan would still require concessions to become law.

Let me know when Liz gets close to winning the nomination, she can possibly be our VP though. M4A is supported by 56% (68% favor a public option) of Americans and that number would grow when you have the (theoretical) President of the united states explaining how it will be beneficial instead of health insurance conglomerates constantly running propaganda to decrease it's support. Again, lets get the guy with the best IDEAS in the office, and then go from there.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Warren healthcare proposal doesn't extend Medicare benefits to anyone. "Medicare for All" is just the name she gives it. Buttigieg does the same thing.

Try actually reading some policy instead of tweets.

My First Term Plan for Reducing Health Care Costs in America | Elizabeth Warren

Gotta repair leaks in the boat before moving on to a yacht.

 

[Uno Venova]

What's the plan to get Bernie's M4A bill passed without any concessions? Before you go calling other candidates sellouts for their plans, I need to know what's your strategy when only 15 senators sign on to Bernie's healthcare bill. Can you provide that to me?

Of course I’m gonna call them all out they all haven’t gotten into detail about how they’ll pass it let alone the complete details of all their plans.

They’re all currently running on ideology and principles and one candidate has the vastly more popular policies

 

[dtownreppin214]

15?? If these people think Warren is on the wrong side of the fight, good luck even getting that number

Booker, Harris and Gillibrand have all backed away from it because when push came to shove, they didn't believe in eradicating private insurance. Warren is the only Democratic candidate who co-sponsored the bill and is still on record as supporting the eradication of private insurance, and they call her a fake progressive and a snake

awesome coalition building, you're doing great sweetie

I wish people would stop lying.

M4A isn't that popular once you get into the details. Even Cenk says this.

People want a public option more and are weary about M4A.

personally, I'd be fine with a public option because this country is so massive and the infrastructure to reach the most remote places would make it the largest system in the world

This is the pie in the sky shyt Hillary was talking about. They think a life-long curmudgeon who doesn't even have a good relationship with the Dems is going to get bipartisan support on a plan to eliminate private insurance and raise middle class taxes....they expect Mitch McConnell to go along with this in a 3% unemployment economy, and if he doesn't they'll make him bend by occupying his office every day. This is delusional trash.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

"At no cost to every kid under the age of 18 and anybody making at or below 200% of the federal poverty level"

It isn't really worth explaining to you over and over again, since you seem pretty committed to not understanding what Medicare For All actually means, but to anyone else reading this thread: A Medicare For All plan means extending Medicare Title 19 to everyone with US citizenship. The reason this works is because it creates a single payer system that forces private drug companies to negotiate with a single, organized bloc of customers. This is why insulin costs $35 in Canada and around $500 in the United States.

Warren's plan does not extend Title 19. Instead, she creates a separate plan that only covers children and the poor. Which is fine, but does not create any system of bargaining power to ensure that drug prices are lowered, does not cover anyone who makes more than 51k but lives in an area where even those wages make healthcare prohibitively expensive (eg, every major city in this country), and doesn't prevent states from limiting Medicaid expansion. She also does not abolish private insurance, and instead creates an "opt in" system that guarantees that private insurance provided by employers remain functioning, thus allowing drug companies to sell to the highest bidder rather than sell to the US government or sell to no one at all.

She calls it Medicare For All despite it having absolutely nothing to do with Medicare because she understands that the phrase itself is popular, and that people who don't actually understand or listen to her policy proposals will support it regardless of how ineffective it is. Like you.

Nice emoji though.

You can't tell me Sanders has remotely this level of detail much less, can recite it.

I know Warren has read everything she's ever put out.

Has Bernie?

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Let me know when Liz gets close to winning the nomination, she can possibly be our VP though. M4A is supported by 56% (68% favor a public option) of Americans and that number would grow when you have the (theoretical) President of the united states explaining how it will be beneficial instead of health insurance conglomerates constantly running propaganda to decrease it's support. Again, lets get the guy with the best IDEAS in the office, and then go from there.

Warren would never submit herself to a guy she secretly feels like is an idiot and that she's superior to

 

[King Kreole]

Why in sam hell do you think we could get only 15 senators to sign on to medicare for all lmao Medicare for all is a wildly popular policy and is BIPARTISAN. Bernie made AMAZON raise their fukking minimum wage for their workers and he wasn't even president. Again, why do you all keep underestimating the power of Sanders and his movement? Why do we keep acting like he is ineffectual? We have to try, what is the other choice? Keep on with this shyt ass healthcare system that we currently have?

Sanders didn't make Amazon do a damn thing, they raised their wages because it was a low-risk high-reward move that gave them a competitive advantage over their primary competitors due to Bernie immediately turning around and demanding Walmart, a company with much tighter financial constraints, do the same. What AOC did with HQ2 was an actual display of power compared to Bernie's minimum wage ploy.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

This is the pie in the sky shyt Hillary was talking about. They think a life-long curmudgeon who doesn't even have a good relationship with the Dems is going to get bipartisan support on a plan to eliminate private insurance and raise middle class taxes....they expect Mitch McConnell to go along with this in a 3% unemployment economy, and if he doesn't they'll make him bend by occupying his office every day. This is delusional trash.

Sanders is just gonna do some shyt like this then claim when it failed that he went down trying. He's going to govern merely by attempts, not accomplishments.

 

[wire28]

Bernie hasn't earned my vote

how long have you been a neoliberal shill who doesnt know whats best for him?

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Why in sam hell do you think we could get only 15 senators to sign on to medicare for all lmao Medicare for all is a wildly popular policy and is BIPARTISAN. Bernie made AMAZON raise their fukking minimum wage for their workers and he wasn't even president. Again, why do you all keep underestimating the power of Sanders and his movement? Why do we keep acting like he is ineffectual? We have to try, what is the other choice? Keep on with this shyt ass healthcare system that we currently have?

Sanders didn't make Amazon do a damn thing, they raised their wages because it was a low-risk high-reward move that gave them a competitive advantage over their primary competitors due to Bernie immediately turning around and demanding Walmart, a company with much tighter financial constraints, do the same. What AOC did with HQ2 was an actual display of power compared to Bernie's minimum wage ploy.

Warren had billionaires crying two months ago.

 

[King Kreole]

This is the pie in the sky shyt Hillary was talking about. They think a life-long curmudgeon who doesn't even have a good relationship with the Dems is going to get bipartisan support on a plan to eliminate private insurance and raise middle class taxes....they expect Mitch McConnell to go along with this in a 3% unemployment economy, and if he doesn't they'll make him bend by occupying his office every day. This is delusional trash.

I think it's totally fair in a primary and campaign to set the direction and point to where you want to eventually end up. It's motivational to the base, helps energize people, and expands the realm of what people believe is possible. But there's a line where motivation turns into delusion, and Bernie's been skirting that line for a while now when he talks about his revolution. It's especially problematic when your base is disproportionately made up of low-info and disengaged voters who will be prone to disillusionment when Bernie doesn't get M4A passed in the first two years. The progressive movement will need discipline and maturity to remake the electorate, and tweeting snake emojis at your closest progressive ally is not the path to winning progressive victories. I really don't think the left is ready to govern yet, but I hope to be proven wrong.