2020 Democratic Primary Thread: Focus on House & Senate races

[NY's #1 Draft Pick]

Does anyone know mike Bloomberg’s policies besides stop and frisk?

 

[Miles Davis]

Nah. I’m curious to see if Amy ends up finishing in front of her. That’d be pretty damning. Ain’t getting any easier in the south, Warren

Ironic how Liz kept bigging Klobuchar up and now she’s gaining I’ve her. Probably thought she was harmless.

 

[Uno Venova]

this nikka is CRUSHING Cali

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

this nikka is CRUSHING Cali

people gotta drop out. this is getting ridiculous.

 

[DonKnock]

I dont know how every candidate aint pushing for M4A.

Wasn't Warren Moon trying to tell me that drug importation was a non-viable option

 

[SunZoo]

Means testing typically slows down access to benefits, leads some who quality to not participate due to either stigma or bureaucratic hurdles, and can make the policy unnecessarily complicated to verbalize, campaign on, or pass.

Saying something is better purely because it is means tested is just technocratic-ly not the case.


The road to hell is paved with means-testing

What the Fight Over Means Testing Is Really About

 

[ExodusNirvana]

Bloomberg is gonna be an issue

How does anyone Black come to the conclusion that Bloomberg is a viable choice over Bernie

Bernie literally marched so your Black ass would stop getting hosed down by cops, and Bloomberg was one of the architects of "Stop and Frisk"

 

[duncanthetall]

Preach. So many people and talking heads I’ve seen considering Bloomberg were foaming at the mouth about Bernie not being a democrat. Spineless. Absolutely spineless.

 

[King Kreole]

I don’t agree with this. Bernie believes that means-testing policies makes them harder to pass and subject to undermining. This is what Republicans have done to them forever. You’re framing things in a way to make her seem more “woke” but it also shows a lack of political acumen. Look at the most enduring policies in the United States and look at how they are framed. Moreover, what Warren is saying ignores the fact that well off white kids don’t have debt at all. So basically you have like 5 percent of black people who make over 200k - the people in the best position to invest in the black community and you tel them that you’re not forgiving their loans. It’s stupid because the white person in that position has a whole host of other resources.

I'm sure Bernie does believe means-tested policies are harder to pass and protect, but that doesn't negate my point at all. Warren knows the difficulty of means-testing as well, but she simply believes closing the black-white wealth gap is worth that fight. It has nothing to do with my "framing", she has given this reasoning when asked multiple times. And many of the most enduring policies in the United States are means-tested. Medicaid, SNAP, the vast majority of social safety net programs. Sounds like you're advocating for UBI to replace those programs specifically designed to help the poor and marginalized.

As for the effects of Warren's debt cancellation plan, I would point you to the study her team used when crafting her policy: Less Debt, More Equity: Lowering Student Debt While Closing the Black-White Wealth Gap | Demos

• A progressive student debt reduction policy would dramatically reduce the racial wealth gap among low-wealth households. While the effects of loan reduction on the racial wealth gap are modest but noticeable at the median, we see far greater effects among low-wealth households (those at the 25th percentile of wealth). Eliminating student debt among those making $50,000 or below reduces the Black-white wealth disparity by nearly 37 percent among low-wealth households, and a policy that eliminates debt among those making $25,000 or less reduces the Black-white wealth gap by over 50 percent.
• Eliminating student debt for all households would increase the racial wealth gap. While eliminating student debt for all households regardless of income increases median net worth for young white and Black households, white families see a greater benefit likely due to a higher likelihood of completing college and graduate degree programs. Policies which eliminate all student debt for young households would expand the divide between median Black and white wealth by an additional 9 percent.

And all due respect to @the kid you just exposed that like I clearly said, and what @Robbie3000 said, you’re buying into “words” and don’t actually understand how any of that gets implemented. All due respect but I think Warren supporters who aren’t white liberals have a complex and think that they’re smarter than others but when pressed rarely can actually explain her policies or how they different from other people on the left besides “terminology.” What you’re all doing here is an example. What Warren wrote is basically a mission statement but it’s not going to be passed as a policy specifically designed for Black people. She said it will target redlined neighborhoods - that’s exactly how Bernie’s policy would work as well (but hers less effectively). What you’re saying is she makes you feel better in how she sells it. And quite frankly, that’s why I initially supported her because I felt she could appeal to your types and bring the party together. She would seem “woke” enough while repackaging the same thing:

I find it funny that now Bernie, the "primary Joe Manchin even though he's not up for reelection" candidate, can be considered better on implementation than Warren, who built an entire M4A transition plan around the realities of the state of Congress. Warren is also the only candidate to commit to using the powers of the executive office to cancel student debt. I can't speak for anyone else, but I don't think pointing out these things makes me smarter than others, they're just basic facts. The only reason they make me feel better is because they're actually true and viable. Whenever I hear Bernie talk about flying to West Virgina to primary Joe Manchin or Kentucky to pressure Mitch, I feel like he's insulting me by asking me to swallow bullshyt.

 

[DonKnock]

@Cole Cash Look who Nap is over here cosigning even after you and Andray aired his ass out

 

[King Kreole]

Means testing typically slows down access to benefits, leads some who quality to not participate due to either stigma or bureaucratic hurdles, and can make the policy unnecessarily complicated to verbalize, campaign on, or pass.

Saying something is better purely because it is means tested is just technocratic-ly not the case.


The road to hell is paved with means-testing

What the Fight Over Means Testing Is Really About

If y'all are anti-means testing, I assume that means you're in favor of replacing welfare and the social safety net with UBI, right?

And of course a policy isn't better purely because it's means-tested. We don't means test access to the police or firefighters or road access or public schools (well we actually kinda do for that one and it's fukked up).

 

[NY's #1 Draft Pick]

It was all good just a week ago for the #bidenboyz

for the last year they was in here selling out talking bout they got this in the bag and that Iowa was the appetizer. Wait till SC because they was cleaning house

now them cats nowhere to be found shyt is crickets for the Biden boyz.you even see @the cac mamba trying to jump on the Biden wave in the last month. Now I seen him creepin towards the Bernie lane the last few days

 

[duncanthetall]

Cowards

 

[Pressure]

Does anyone know mike Bloomberg’s policies besides stop and frisk?

He's rich. Like really fukking rich. He's going to make Americans even richer!