2020 Democratic Primary Thread: Focus on House & Senate races

[jj23]

Doesn't look like Bernie stands much of a chance against Legion.

 

[No1]

he could easily come up with a 3-5 step plan he recites - "wealth tax, increase to personal tax, cut budget item x".. i'm not looking for headlines, i'm looking for answers, and that doesn't mean a 50 page doc like warren did either. it means stop talking about "well when you think of premiums/co pays/etc, it's better" as that doesn't give any insight to his intended funding mechanism(s), i don't buy he has no clue.

Let me put it like this - one of the funding mechanisms which he adopted and supports (He’s not hiding that) is a 7.5 percent increase for the employer payroll tax. That raises 3.9 trillion - that still leaves you short. Then says he will have to raise individual taxes. The question is how much? And he hasn’t answered that yet. Look, it’s a fair critique but he hasn’t been pressed to explain that yet and he won’t until he has to. Also, if you say either through XY or Z you look weak. At the end of the day, most people aren’t going to pay attention that long. Obamacare is basically Hillarycare from the primaries and no one notices that.

 

[Loose]

You're asking too many questions at this point. Whatever the solution is has to be worked out with Congress. No point in him negotiating with himself on this. Just know that he has shown a desire to keep taxes low for middle class people.

those SHOULD be the questions we should be asking, we should be asking how things will be paid and how things will be passed

 

[OnFleekTing]

This is the same argument that republicans were having during their 2016 primary against Trump
He kept getting 30% -35% and all the establishment republicans kept saying people needed to drop out so they could coalesce against him.
Didn't do much good in the end but only partly because republicans have winner take all primaries
Bernie could lead in delegates all the way up until the convention but if he doesn't get the magic number then the 2nd round its open season for whoever is favored by super delegates

 

[the cac mamba]

I don’t think he’s dodging. I think he’s buying time while a plan is worked up. He said that there will be a tax on families and admits to that. The question is how you fund the entire thing. If you actually read about the bill, there are like 7 different funding mechanisms offered. Warren tried to do it without raising taxes and that’s not possible. She tried to appeal to everyone. Bernie simply knows that funding is contingent on passing multiple bills (wealth tax, repealing certain laws, etc.). That doesn’t make for a great headline.

facts. no one was trying to hear her lying about how taxes wouldnt go up, when common sense dictates that they'll go up

and if she really had that plan, there's no reason she cant just pass it off to bernie

 

[OfTheCross]

those SHOULD be the questions we should be asking, we should be asking how things will be paid and how things will be passed

Those questions will be answered if/when he wins.

There are many ways to do it. No point in boxing yourself in this early

 

[nyknick]

Terrible tweet it's a math game she has zero chance in SC, she raised the 2nd highest and have spent the least she will be fine until at least super tuesday. She will be 3rd in delegates at best in sc regardless of what she spends

Biden, Bernie, Bloomberg, Steyer in NC

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

Let me put it like this - one of the funding mechanisms which he adopted and supports (He’s not hiding that) is a 7.5 percent increase for the employer payroll tax. That raises 3.9 trillion - that still leaves you short. Then says he will have to raise individual taxes. The question is how much? And he hasn’t answered that yet. Look, it’s a fair critique but he hasn’t been pressed to explain that yet and he won’t until he has to. Also, if you say either through XY or Z you look weak. At the end of the day, most people aren’t going to pay attention that long. Obamacare is basically Hillarycare from the primaries and no one notices that.

You're asking too many questions at this point. Whatever the solution is has to be worked out with Congress. No point in him negotiating with himself on this. Just know that he has shown a desire to keep taxes low for middle class people.

so basically don't ask questions or expect some semblance of an answer to what would be probably the most radical change to america since the 60's. cool, we don't like low information voters but roll with low information politicians.

 

[No1]

so basically don't ask questions or expect some semblance of an answer to what would be probably the most radical change to america since the 60's. cool, we don't like low information voters but roll with low information politicians.

I said it was a good question, but politicians don’t offer answers like that until it becomes something they have to do in order to give themselves wiggle room. This is still politics. If there’s anything that I’ve knocked Liz on it’s her lack of political instincts.

 

[wire28]

you see crafty...to me i see bullshytting politician right there. it's a finesse move no different than politicians of any walk of life and it doesn't make me trust him there. neither he nor warren could earn my support of M4A, but i'd appreciate some straightforward answers.

Bernie is crafty
Warren is afraid to answer the question because she had no answer

I remember specifically our geniuses in here were using that as a negative in the debate and when she actually came out with her plan/explanation she got killed for that

you start off pouring jelly on yourself in the first place if you are ever trusting a politician in the first place. They all have ulterior motives and liars at baseline

 

[re'up]

Tearing people down over policy differences, and nearly semantics on health care is ridiculous. This is one major, major flaw, that is irreversible, is people's myopia. All they can see it themselves, and I understand, it's a day to day struggle to provide for a family, and all that. but that myopia, that passionate, irrational fever to put everything around what works specifically for you, is a gaping whole in our quest for a stronger, better country. NO plan will make everyone happy, or even 80%, you have to enact policies that work for the greatest amount of people possible.

 

[Cheddar Biscuits]

Biden holding it down for black folks after helping with the crime bill

they said biden locked up the black vote

 

[duncanthetall]

These Warren people are so distraught right now

 

[OfTheCross]

so basically don't ask questions or expect some semblance of an answer to what would be probably the most radical change to america since the 60's. cool, we don't like low information voters but roll with low information politicians.

who's saying not to ask questions?

Ask away. Write them down. If Bernie wins they'll come into play. If not, who cares. You already have some ideas on how it will get paid for.


Anyway...you and @88m3 got me curious so let's go based off of the chart that as posted in here...


Income of $210K in San Francisco

- $7000 for health insurance

= $123K take home pay

You can get this nice apartment in Presidio for around $4K

The Presidio Landmark Apartments - San Francisco, CA | Apartments.com




Income of $210K in Brooklyn

- $7000 for health insurance

= $119K take home pay

You can get this nice apartment in DUMBO for less that $4K a month.

30 Washington St Unit 6N, Brooklyn, NY 11201 - Apartment for Rent in Brooklyn, NY | Apartments.com


If the taxes on that website are way off, lmk. But it doesn't seem terrible, tbh.

Also, I contributed 6% to the 401Ks

 

[Miles Davis]

These jokes killing me, just like when Bernie released the negative ad about himself