2020 Democratic Primary Thread: Focus on House & Senate races

[dora_da_destroyer]

Don't get hung up on the examples I gave...I was just throwing shyt out there that's considered leftist.

But SSDI, for example, started in 1956 and there was nothing that preceded it besides conversation.

We've been conversing about guaranteed healthcare for 100 years almost.

My point is that

1) M4A can get done if the political will is there and

2) I don't think that passing Left legislation has historically happened in baby steps


What are our most robust leftist policies ? I'll look em up to see

we've been discussing it for 100 years because no one wants to actually do it/people don't agree on how to do it. even FDR who probably had the freest reigns of any modern president had to drop it to get the conservative support he needed to pass the SS Act.

as for most robust leftist policies, i'd go with a lot of legislation passed by both the Roosevelt's and LBJ
- Teddy with the fair employment act, trust busting, created the national parks system and other conservation efforts, i also think it was him who desegregated fed govt employees
- FDR - basically all the new deal/safety net legislation
- LBJ - civil and voting rights acts, gun control, wanted to start a war on poverty - some legislation for this passed like medicare, but Nixon winning and a bad economy in the 70's stopped the momentum of this movement

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

exactly, which is why i don't get why people get mad that some people rather campaign on the next step as opposed to the destination - especially when they (the sensible ones) admit to expecting it to be a step process

I'm not mad at it.. I don't see a problem with transparency. Unfortunately a lot of people don't understand the process, what goes into drafting, the ad-ons, the negotiations, co-signers, everything that goes into the process before it's on the floor and that's just one piece that is ultimately stripped down from where it originated.

 

[A.R.$]

exactly, which is why i don't get why people get mad that some people rather campaign on the next step as opposed to the destination - especially when they (the sensible ones) admit to expecting it to be a step process

I do think campaigning on the next step is a mistake. Whatever you campaign on will be considered the most extreme position by the Republicans and the media. The reason the public option seems so reasonable now, is because the heavy push for single payer. Before Bernie started pushing M4A in 2015/2016 the public option was considered a far left radical position by the media. Now it is the moderate position because we were able to push the conversation left. If we campaign/ negotiate having the public option as a starting point we will end up with with a weak government healthcare option, or cooperatives instead.

Republicans do this all the time. They always start out with the most extreme position then negotiate down if they have to. Trump couldn’t do a Muslim ban. But, they were able to make ingratiating/traveling to the US harder without as much blowback as it should be getting, because he started off at the most extreme position.

 

[NY's #1 Draft Pick]

Yo on some real shyt where all these Bernie bro’s come from all of a sudden. It was only a few cats in here like @Memphistopheles @storyteller Berniewood and @New Jeruzalem Journalist not even a month ago. All of a sudden this shyt been flooded for the past few weeks.

 

[Heelish]

Yo on some real shyt where all these Bernie bro’s come from all of a sudden.

Russia

 

[Cheddar Biscuits]

They're trying so hard with this "Bernie Bros" narrative that they still haven't realized that they've tried this already.

Hey, Obama boys: Back off already!
Obama has lost women 'with sexist campaign'
https://nypost.com/2008/04/03/hillarys-hope-obama-implodes/

 

[duncanthetall]

Yo on some real shyt where all these Bernie bro’s come from all of a sudden. It was only a few cats in here like @Memphistopheles @storyteller Berniewood and @New Jeruzalem Journalist not even a month ago. All of a sudden this shyt been flooded for the past few weeks.

This is mikey2toes. Just changed my name

 

[duncanthetall]

Some of that Yang support is going to Bernie

@dtownreppin214

I’m really curious to see results from these western states coming in. I’ve seen a lot of talk saying it seems like there’s gonna be a lot of first time latino voters.

 

[Based Lord Zedd]

Some of that Yang support is going to Bernie

@dtownreppin214

Early voting starts 2/18, I'm voting Sanders. If Warren were closer I'd have a tougher choice.

 

[¯\_(ツ)_/¯]

I hate when this piece of shyt is right.

Jeb suppressed black voters from their constitutional rights to vote. Trump saying that’s treating us better is condescending.

“I would do stop-and-frisk. I think you have to. We did it in New York, it worked incredibly well and you have to be proactive and, you know, you really help people sort of change their mind automatically. You understand, you have to have, in my opinion, I see what’s going on here, I see what’s going on in Chicago, I think stop-and-frisk. In New York City it was so incredible, the way it worked. Now, we had a very good mayor, but New York City was incredible, the way that worked, so I think that could be one step you could do.”

Bloomberg should mention he was a fan of his work before he wasn’t.

 

[goatmane]

I hate when this piece of shyt is right.

I seen this tweet and it made me laugh

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Yo on some real shyt where all these Bernie bro’s come from all of a sudden. It was only a few cats in here like @Memphistopheles @storyteller Berniewood and @New Jeruzalem Journalist not even a month ago. All of a sudden this shyt been flooded for the past few weeks.

I was always "Bernie or Warren, whoever has the best shot", and Warren looked like she had a bigger coalition early on so I didn't spend much time juicing Bernie cause I didn't want them to split the vote. Even wagered my $3 million in Coli Cash on her. Then Warren started fading and making crazy missteps that made me think she was low-key just another part of the establishment, so I jumped back to Bernie.

I was stanning Bernie pretty hard in 2016 but was scared he might be too old for people to go for him in 2020. That fear is over now.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

I hate when this piece of shyt is right.

I seen this tweet and it made me laugh

Honestly, if Bloomberg keeps buying tons of ads shytting on Trump, and Trump spends a bunch of energy shytting on Bloomberg's awful record and even gets some of the media to spend more time highlighting that shyt, it could be a win-win situation.

Meanwhile he takes voting support away from Biden and other centrists and pockets all the easily bought endorsements that Buttigieg was eyeing.

Just have to make sure Bloomberg gets zero delegates whatsoever.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

On to Bloomberg, I don't fully know that he will fall in line and I don't like the precedent this sets. I wasn't joking when I said Zuckerberg and Bezos are gleefully waiting to see how much the presidency costs. Zuckerberg already stated he has presidential ambitions and he can easily run a variation of the Bloomberg playbook Anyway, reading up on some of the stuff he does makes me uncertain about how he'd behave. It's the money and how he uses it that's mostly objectable. I also need to know more about how he'd fill the judiciary.

Read this shyt. Its not just the money, his entire political philosophy is one of

1. Serve the rich
2. Flex your power

A Republican Plutocrat Tries To Buy The Democratic Nomination ❧ Current Affairs



And what you say about Zuckerberg/Bezos is 100% true. The amount of money they have is unimaginable. With a year of intense fundraising, doing far better than any other candidate, Bernie has raised $100 million. Meanwhile, without lifting a finger, Bloomberg/Zuckerberg/Bezos could match that $100 million FIVE HUNDRED TIMES and still be among the richest men in American.

Campaigns just hit a billy for the first time a couple years ago. These motherfukkers could spend a billion in every state.

 

[NY's #1 Draft Pick]

Yo on some real shyt fukk the Supreme Court.