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Dems lost the House, Senate, and so many governorships from 2010-2016. Worst position since 1929.

There is no empirical basis to say the Dems will get wiped off the map if Sanders is the nominee. None.
Elect-ability argument failed, can't get black and latino vote argument failed, people are against M4A argument failed, all their positions against Bernie that can be checked with data have failed :hubie:

So now the new argument is that the most popular candidate in democratic primary so far will have an adverse effect on down-ballot candidates :gucci:

Their arguments are becoming more nonsensical with each day :mindblown:
 

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:what: What is up with the anti-moderate sentiment on this site. Without moderates, Dems don't take back the House in '18 and none of Trump's crimes get exposed.

Meanwhile...

Our Revolution backed candidates went 0-27.

Brand New Congress backed candidates went 0-6.

Justice Democrats backed candidates went 0-18 in Congress, they went 7 of 79 nationally. None of those seven wins came in swing districts.
It's the association with corrupt businessmen, bundlers and donors that is making moderates look bad.
 
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:what: What is up with the anti-moderate sentiment on this site. Without moderates, Dems don't take back the House in '18 and none of Trump's crimes get exposed.

Meanwhile...

Our Revolution backed candidates went 0-27.

Brand New Congress backed candidates went 0-6.

Justice Democrats backed candidates went 0-18 in Congress, they went 7 of 79 nationally. None of those seven wins came in swing districts.
Well Bernie wasn’t president yet so the revolution couldn’t really get started, but just you wait, 2022 :banderas:
 

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I don't think Republicans are concerned about losing Texas if Bernie is the nominee even with the hispanic outreach. Beto lost to Cruz by 200k votes and Trump is more popular than Cruz in this state. Bernie also has an immigration stance to the left of Beto and opposes fracking unlike Beto.
You're right. I'm tired of candidates wasting time in Texas during GE. That shyt is not happening in our lifetime :francis:
 

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Bernie Sanders got to stop sending me e-mails

I ain't go 27 dollars right now. Lemme alone :damn: Got 5 e-mails today alone.
I got the text messages on my Google voice number all the time I blocked his emails awhile back lol may black his number soon.
 

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Castro talking point is done :mjlol:

It's 60 minutes breh, that show is kinda a big deal in this country. His answers in that interview will be dissected for a few news cycles and will most likely be brought up in the debate. Unlike Obama, Bernie is a socialist revolutionary who on other occasions has made flattering comments about Castro. You are very naive if you think that video will give him cover.
 

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Disagree. I think this 60 minutes interview is going to last a couple of news cycles. The heat is turning up.


Here's a progressive one.


shyt like this is disingenuous as fukk. Guttenberg is a one-issue activist who hates Bernie because he's moderate on gun control (something that will HELP him in among working-class voters in red/purple states). He's been caught lying on Bernie repeatedly, even blaming him for the Parkland shooting when Bernie has been on record for 30 years in support of an assault weapons ban.

The fact that you would use that and claim it is evidence of anything just shows that you're latching on to whatever narratives support the tale you want to hear. What use is the opinion of a random Twitter voice who as no expertise in the area and is already biased for a completely unrelated reason? I'm not blaming Guttenberg for being emotional, he has a reason to be emotional, but projecting his voice as if he's an expert on something he knows nothing about is completely irresponsible.



I don't think Republicans are concerned about losing Texas if Bernie is the nominee even with the hispanic outreach. Beto lost to Cruz by 200k votes and Trump is more popular than Cruz in this state. Bernie also has an immigration stance to the left of Beto and opposes fracking unlike Beto.
And Beto was anti-gun - how does that do in Texas?

The good thing for Democrats in Texas is due to old White folk dying and Hispanics coming of age it literally gets bluer every year. Urban white voters seem to be trending bluer there too. Just look at the poll numbers.



I believe Bernie's current high favorables come from the fact that most Americans still think of Bernie as "the independent that took on evil Hillary and got screwed by the party". When they hear about how extreme his policies/views are, suburban voters who voted D in 2018 are going to run back to the GOP faster than you can believe. From a Texas Democrat’s perspective who is hopeful about the possibility of flipping the legislature, I'm not enamored with any of the candidates helping getting this done, I personally support Warren, she shares many of his policy proposals, but I believe there are distinct negative implications running a “socialist” at the top of ticket.
Why is it that Bernie shows up to right-wing outlets like the Fox News town hall and Joe Rogan's show, spends the entire time explaining his policies up front, and people love him?

Why is it that Bernie has consistently been the only candidate whose likability numbers increase the more that people get to know him?
 

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:what: What is up with the anti-moderate sentiment on this site. Without moderates, Dems don't take back the House in '18 and none of Trump's crimes get exposed.

Meanwhile...

Our Revolution backed candidates went 0-27.

Brand New Congress backed candidates went 0-6.

Justice Democrats backed candidates went 0-18 in Congress, they went 7 of 79 nationally. None of those seven wins came in swing districts.


How did Justice Dems “get no one in Congress but win 7 nationally”?



In the 2018 elections, 26 of the 79 candidates endorsed by Justice Democrats won their respective primary elections. Seven of these candidates won in the general election: Raúl Grijalva, Ro Khanna, Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, and Pramila Jayapal.
 
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It's 60 minutes breh, that show is kinda a big deal in this country. His answers in that interview will be dissected for a few news cycles and will most likely be brought up in the debate. Unlike Obama, Bernie is a socialist revolutionary who on other occasions has made flattering comments about Castro. You are very naive if you think that video will give him cover.

The thing is, these things may trend for a couple hours but they never have any staying power, it's a daily thing. And Obama saying the exact same thing gives him and any surrogates the cover from any subsequent questions. We only have to wait and see on this one but these videos have made the rounds already to no avail.
 

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:what: What is up with the anti-moderate sentiment on this site. Without moderates, Dems don't take back the House in '18 and none of Trump's crimes get exposed.

Meanwhile...

Our Revolution backed candidates went 0-27.

Brand New Congress backed candidates went 0-6.

Justice Democrats backed candidates went 0-18 in Congress, they went 7 of 79 nationally. None of those seven wins came in swing districts.
:jbhmm:

Ryan Cooper, a socialist columnist, cited the Intercept piece to ruminate just why the Democrats would advance such an obviously doomed strategy. “Their naked self-interest and bourgeoise ideology is camouflaged behind a technocratic facade of just doing ‘what it takes to win’ — but it’s a facade they generally believe wholeheartedly.” The Democratic plan was obviously doomed to fail, so perhaps their motivation was actually to enrich themselves and advance neoliberalism, while claiming it was a good strategy to win the House.

As we now know, it was a good strategy to win the House. Democrats flipped 40 seats. Tellingly, while progressives managed to nominate several candidates in red districts — Kara Eastman in Nebraska, Richard Ojeda in West Virginia, and many others — any one of whose victory they would have cited as proof that left-wing candidates can win Trump districts, not a single one of them prevailed in November. Our Revolution went 0–22, Justice Democrats went 0–16, and Brand New Congress went 0–6.* The failed technocratic 26-year-old bourgeoise shills who were doing it wrong somehow accounted for 100 percent of the party’s House gains.

Running Bernie Sanders Against Trump Would Be an Act of Insanity

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According to our data, 41 percent of candidates who received an endorsement from one or more of these progressive groups5 won their primary races. The most successful progressive group was the PCCC; the candidates it endorsed won about 67 percent of the time.6 Justice Democrats and Our Revolution had the worst win rates — candidates they endorsed won only 32 percent of their primaries (but they also endorsed more people overall, giving their candidates more chances to lose). Although those endorsed by progressive groups may not always win, in many races they are shifting the policy debate and forcing favored candidates to at least address some of their progressive stances. Take, for instance, Andrew Cuomo, New York’s incumbent governor. Since Cynthia Nixon, who has won endorsements from all five of the progressive groups we analyzed, announced she would challenge Cuomo in the Democratic primary, the governor has changed his tune on marijuana legalization and announced new progressive plans like voting rights for parolees.

The organization with the best endorsement record in Democratic primaries remains the Democratic Party itself. Candidates who are on the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee’s Red to Blue List or endorsed by the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee7 had a win rate of 95 percent (37 wins out of 39 endorsements). In races where a party-endorsed candidate ran against a progressive-group-endorsed candidate (excluding any races where a candidate was endorsed by both sides), the party-endorsed candidate won 89 percent of the time.

In other words, the best predictor of primary success remains establishment support.

However, there are several caveats: First, we don’t know which way the causation runs. The Democratic establishment is probably purposefully lining up behind candidates who were already the strongest in their field. Second, “establishment” isn’t a synonym for “moderate,” so the success of establishment candidates doesn’t necessarily mean that progressives are losing. For instance, eight party-backed candidates were also endorsed by at least one progressive group.

We Looked At Hundreds Of Endorsements. Here’s Who Democrats Are Listening To.
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