2020 Democratic Primary Thread: Focus on House & Senate races

[rapbeats]

This makes no sense. So because he has worked his who life been frugal and with the frugalness been able to acquire three homes means he can't relate to people that aren't doing well in the country.

Argument makes no sense!

it makes no sense at all. the man has been talking about the same stuff before he got rich. this isnt some dude who just came up with this last week before he wanted to run and he was rolling in the cash. this is why when everyone says "so you're a millionaire now bernie, what do you have to say about that?" uhhh nothing, he sold some books, made some real estate moves and here we are. he didnt say he didnt believe you should be able to make a million dollars selling books and real estate and your salary + your pension. he never said that at all. he did say perhaps 1 person having a billion dollars is not a good idea based on the amt of power that person would have over society. Bloomberg and trump are prime examples of this.
but for those who want to have a clearer picture of bernie's money.

How Bernie Sanders, The Socialist Senator, Amassed A $2.5 Million Fortune

 

[StatUS]

This is a lot of words just to say yes, when Bernie was not the candidate with the most votes heading into the convention he believed the superdelegates should disregard the popular vote and give him the nomination anyway, and now that he's looking like the candidate most likely to have the most votes, he believes the rules shouldn't apply and he should automatically be given the nomination.

In fact, as you point out, the 2016 process was even more undemocratic than it is now, and Bernie was fully willing to play by those rules and appeal to superdelegates, but now he's angry that people are playing by the rules of this newer, more democratic process.

It just dismisses the details of the situation to just say Sanders did it so my side can do it too. Which is fine to get points for your team but honestly in this case I don't care if it was Bernie or Bloomberg in the lead. Even in 2016 my stance was that at most convincing the superdels to vote properly in the states that he won which would reflect the will of the people and help push progressive policies in the party. I did not think they should have completely overridden Hillary's support and neither did Bernie.

Now my other gripe is Warren misrepresenting the facts. The Sanders team on the DNC commission wanted to get rid of the process all together but had to compromise because they were outnumbered which is the case because he lost the primary. He did not have power to write these rules as is. The DNC tried to smear his side throughout this process even claiming they were trying to push caucuses throughout the primary, so it's just more bad faith here.

Any candidate pushing for a brokered convention on the second ballot is officially fighting against the one person one vote stance this time, especially Warren if she doesn't win any states. I don't take it heart because I believe the delegate leader will take it all in the end but it is what it is.Using delegates as bargaining chips is perfectly fine though but I don't believe anyone has stated that right now

 

[BigMoneyGrip]

Apparently you have to be poor to look out for poor people. lol

They can speak to the struggle... Rich mofos can’t... Bernie ain’t ever been broke but he sure talks like he is...

You know what else is funny style about Bernie? For all the free shyt he talks up like loan forgiveness and free college has he once introduced a bill for his home state to be beneficiaries of free college tuition and loan forgiveness? I’m just askin

 

[Professor Emeritus]

I think the whole conversation about being millionaires and how to that relates to empathy is unimportant and unnecessary but it's still odd seeing the juelzing. He's a good millionaire.....he's an old millionaire(huh?)......he's a frugal millionaire(Ok?).....he only has 3 homes(alright?). I just can't fucck with this coalition at all man. I'm completely turned off and I don't even dislike the old nicca. His crew I don't fucck with at all.

May I ask how old you are?

Because it feels like people are saying that an argument doesn't count unless it's at the Twitter-length level of virtue signalling. Y'all talk like context doesn't matter, that actual thought processes don't matter, that merely saying, "BUT HE'S A MILLIONAIRE!" is supposed to be some sort of argument for...what? Y'all have even said what that's an argument for?


If you think Bernie did something wrong...what? Something like 20-25% of American families will be worth a million by the time they retire. He's literally never said that no one should be a millionaire, he's just said that millionaires should pay their dues so that everyone in America have have access to a great basic standard of living and he STILL says that.


People talking dumb shyt about "but he attacks billionaries" as if Bernie's net worth isn't 1000 times closer to your net worth than it is to Bloomberg's net worth. Literally 1000 times closer. Bloomberg spends more money every year on upkeeping his fishtanks than Bernie spent on all his houses combined.

 

[NkrumahWasRight Is Wrong]

He wasn't even a millionaire until fairly recently, and that was just the natural result of being a Senator earning a low 6-figure income and getting to retirement age without wasting his money. He bought two homes, his own place in Vermont and a small condo in DC, because he's a Senator and has to work both places. You would have preferred that he used his senator's salary to rent in DC for 30 years....why? So he prove that he's stupid with his cash?

Seriously, how would it be anything other than stupid for him to have spent his salary on rent instead of having an affordable home in both states that he has to work in?


Like I said, he only became a millionaire recently. Then in 2016 he signed a $800,000 book deal that dramatically increased his wealth. He used that money to buy a vacation home/investment property. Again, smart with his money, setting himself up for retirement when he sells his DC condo and leaves his Vermont home to his kids. Now his net worth is $2 million.

You believe that's disqualifying?

I agree its a pathetic attack. So someone has to be impoverished to advocate for progressive ideas/ be a democratic socialist apparently.

Coastal elites on their grind

 

[BigMoneyGrip]

Bernie's going to run 3rd party run after he doesn't secure enough delegates

That will hurt trump lmaooo

Ross Parote 3rd party and that’s how Clinton beat Bush sr

 

[Professor Emeritus]

They can speak to the struggle... Rich mofos can’t... Bernie ain’t ever been broke but he sure talks like he is...

He literally was though.

The old sugar house in the land near Middlesex a quarter of a mile into the woods off Shady Rill Road. The primitive cabin, which had a dirt floor before Sanders installed wood, was the first place he lived in after he moved to Vermont.


And then later in life:

Bernie Sanders Has a Secret

Sanders rented a small brick duplex at 295 1/2 Maple Street that was filled with not much furniture and not much food in the fridge but stacks of checked-out library books and scribbled-on legal pads. His son, who called his father “Bernard,” had an upstairs bedroom.

“Pretty sparse,” Gene Bergman, an old friend, said about the apartment.

“Stark and dark,” said Darcy Troville, a fellow Liberty Unionite who lived around the corner and shared with Sanders homemade jellies and jams.

“The electricity was turned off a lot,” Barnett said. “I remember him running an extension cord down to the basement. He couldn’t pay his bills.”

“He was always poor,” Sandy Baird, another old friend, told me in Burlington.

“Virtually unemployed,” said Nelson, the political science professor at the University of Vermont.

“Just one step above hand to mouth,” said Terry Bouricius, who was involved with Liberty Union, served at times as a de facto campaign manager for Sanders and at one point crashed for a couple months on his couch.

Liberty Union “people found it difficult to support themselves while engaging in full-time political work,” Michael Parenti, one of those people, wrote in the Massachusetts Review in the summer of 1975. “Some held jobs that allowed free time for campaign activities, while others lived off unemployment insurance.”

Sanders, according to an article in 1974 in the Bennington Banner, was one of them. He was on unemployment for a few months in 1971. In subsequent Liberty Union campaigns he advocated for “the doing away with all time limitations for unemployment benefits.”

“His work was to be a politician,” Guma said. “He put everything into what he was doing.”

“I don’t know what he did for money,” Troville said. “Everything was always campaigning. Everything was always organizing. Everything was always writing.”

He grew up working-class, didn't have any money after college, and was poor as fukk for like 15 years of his life. Y'all so shook you just make shyt up to shyt on him.

You know what else is funny style about Bernie? For all the free shyt he talks up like loan forgiveness and free college has he once introduced a bill for his home state to be beneficiaries of free college tuition and loan forgiveness? I’m just askin

You can't be that dumb, Bernie isn't part of the Vermont Senate, he can't introduce a bill in his home state.

 

[BigMoneyGrip]

cmon now there is huge difference bro
a billionaire can exert enormous power & infuence over an entire industry (or an election as we're seeing with Bloomberg).
A millionaire nowadays can have you living comfortable but thats about it.
I know a few millionaires personally. Even I may become a millionaire by the time i retire

BTW, Bernie has a net worth of 2.5 million. That is peanuts compared to Bloomberg. You can become a millionaire by flipping a few houses and investing in your 401k.
A billionaire makes his/her billions through the exploitation of the working class. I could go on and on. there is no comparison of the two.

How much is Bernie worth more than the average American?

secondly the Koch bros are billionaires and doing exactly what you claim Bloomberg doing.. In fact Bloomberg is actually countering what the kock bros are doing.. I’m no fan of Bloomberg but his money is making the difference in this congressional and senate races on the dem side.. Money equals muscle and Bloomberg flexin it to the point trump can’t even respond to any of Bloomberg’s attack ads when are literally relentless... And Bloomberg said if he doesn’t get the nomination he’s still going to run those ads in a super pac for the Dems to get trump out the paint

 

[BigMoneyGrip]

He literally was though.

The old sugar house in the land near Middlesex a quarter of a mile into the woods off Shady Rill Road. The primitive cabin, which had a dirt floor before Sanders installed wood, was the first place he lived in after he moved to Vermont.


And then later in life:

Bernie Sanders Has a Secret



He grew up working-class, didn't have any money after college, and was poor as fukk for like 15 years of his life. Y'all so shook you just make shyt up to shyt on him.




You can't be that dumb, Bernie isn't part of the Vermont Senate, he can't introduce a bill in his home state.

believe Jews who claim their broke brehs

if Bernie ain’t apart of Vermont then why run as a us senator for the state? You calling me dumb yet you don’t see he represent the people of the state of Vermont which means he has influence in the local politics of the state and can secure funding for projects..

You do know New York State has free undergrad tuition free college now right?

 

[rapbeats]

Bernie bro’s always making excuses just like the crime bill. Everyone that voted is guilty of murder except Bernie because reasons

fans of these other candidates always trying to find a gotcha moment for another candidate because they dont have any legit ideas and policies they can ride for. imagine having to try to tear down one person to uplift your guy/gal because your person doesnt have anything of substance to help the working class people.

bernie admitted that the crime bill wasnt the move, and he also said why he voted for it, and he also rants about it in front of everyone on cspan. if he didnt vote for that bill. liz warren and the Girl power only types, would've been all up in bern about how he hates women and wouldnt even vote for that women's rights. while not admitting it was stuck within a horrendous racist crime bill.

 

[storyteller]

Twitter isn't real life.

Yes, Warren G's say that a lot but only understand Bernie through the lens of tweets that Nap shares. It's bizarre.

 

[BigMoneyGrip]

He wasn't even a millionaire until fairly recently, and that was just the natural result of being a Senator earning a low 6-figure income and getting to retirement age without wasting his money. He bought two homes, his own place in Vermont and a small condo in DC, because he's a Senator and has to work both places. You would have preferred that he used his senator's salary to rent in DC for 30 years....why? So he prove that he's stupid with his cash?

Seriously, how would it be anything other than stupid for him to have spent his salary on rent instead of having an affordable home in both states that he has to work in?


Like I said, he only became a millionaire recently. Then in 2016 he signed a $800,000 book deal that dramatically increased his wealth. He used that money to buy a vacation home/investment property. Again, smart with his money, setting himself up for retirement when he sells his DC condo and leaves his Vermont home to his kids. Now his net worth is $2 million.

You believe that's disqualifying?

You know Joe Biden only became a millionaire until recently too right?

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

Yes, Warren G's say that a lot but only understand Bernie through the lens of tweets that Nap shares. It's bizarre.

don't do that, almost none of us follow Nap's tweets. Dude tags 20 people and gets zero daps

 

[Based Lord Zedd]

Ain’t no difference they can buy the same shyt it’s just a matter of what.. their quality of life is the same... there is no difference fam don’t do that

If Bernie made the same amount /year as you do, would that make him more appealing to you? More likely to vote for him?

 

[storyteller]

don't do that, almost none of us follow Nap's tweets. Dude tags 20 people and gets zero daps

Okay, don't blame Nap. Either way, yall have a warped sense of what the typical Bernie voter thinks and you apply narratives that are consistently birthed from Twitter blue check accounts.